Basic Maintenance and Glowtime

On September 17, 2024, we talked of many things. Apple introduced new versions of iOS (iPhone), iPadOS (iPad), watchOS (Apple Watch), macOS (Macintosh), and other operating systems, though macOS might wait until October. Along with the new operating systems, Apple is also introducing new iPhones, new iPads, and Apple Watches, but not a pizza delivery service. Apple called their introduction “Glowtime,” which was a bit cryptic.

We also discussed basic maintenance tasks, things you should be doing to keep your Mac or iPhone or iPad healthy, and also, not incidentally, prepare it for a new operating system version.

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18:31:29 Well, it's past 6, 30. So even though.
18:31:33 We have very few people on right now, and going to start the meeting.
18:31:39 And I'll 1st start off with.
18:31:42 Does anyone have any.
18:31:45 Questions problems.
18:31:47 That they.
18:31:50 Are dealing with.
18:31:52 Then I can help with.
18:32:02 No questions.
18:32:06 Well, yes.
18:32:06 Well, so far, so far, so good. I have Microsoft, Ms in email.
18:32:14 I don't know if you heard about this, but I had it.
18:32:18 Yeah.
18:32:17 Back in the Dsl. Quest days, and Microsoft bought them out and.
18:32:24 Yes.
18:32:24 Said as of the 16.th If I didn't update my authentication method.
18:32:29 That they would
18:32:32 Prohibit me from bringing in to.
18:32:36 A 3rd party, mail, server or mail.
18:32:40 App, which in this case would would be apple.
18:32:44 And I could get it set up on my iphone and my ipad as.
18:32:50 A Microsoft Exchange.
18:32:53 Outlook. That was one of the options, and when I set it up through Msn. Mail.
18:32:59 Not. I'm not Msn. Apple Mail. I'm sorry getting confused here.
18:33:04 But on a Mac platform the only option was Microsoft Exchange, which my understanding is outdated.
18:33:13 And so I use rules in mail.
18:33:18 To put them in folders.
18:33:20 And I have both a laptop and a Mac Mini.
18:33:24 So I set my Mac mini up as
18:33:29 Microsoft Exchange.
18:33:31 And I did it actually on both my laptop and my desktop.
18:33:38 My mail rules didn't work because.
18:33:42 It didn't bring them the whole message before it executed. It only brought the header in.
18:33:48 So only part of the mail message went into the folder.
18:33:54 So, and I only have the rules going on. My laptop.
18:33:59 And I. So I left exchange on my Mac mini. Since I'm not using rules.
18:34:05 And on my laptop I went under.
18:34:09 Apple mail, and set it up as a.
18:34:12 3rd party, so I didn't pick.
18:34:15 Microsoft Exchange. The D-day was on Monday.
18:34:19 And I didn't know if.
18:34:21 What was gonna happen, and I called apple several times.
18:34:27 And of course, getting all the Microsoft is next to impossible.
18:34:34 So, anyway, so far so good. The rules are working. I just deleted the account, and.
18:34:41 Reset it up as a 3rd party.
18:34:45 And it's working. And this is what Tuesday the.
18:34:50 Second day after the 16, th so I don't know.
18:34:55 It should work with exchange. The difference between.
18:34:59 Outlook and.
18:35:03 I can't remember the other ones that have Msn. Mail, and all of the rest of that.
18:35:08 Is basically.
18:35:08 Live live is one of them. And yeah.
18:35:11 Yeah. The the the big difference is how they're marketed.
18:35:17 Msn starts with Microsoft, which really doesn't exist anymore.
18:35:21 But it's it's web based and.
18:35:26 Exchange is server based.
18:35:30 For
18:35:32 It basically aimed at companies.
18:35:35 When we once upon a time when I work for Noah, we had.
18:35:40 Within Noah, which had 15,000 employees and 10,000 contractors.
18:35:44 We had 270, some mail systems.
18:35:48 Different mail systems. So I was in National Ocean service, and when I would send something to.
18:35:55 Weather service. The weather service had a completely different mail system, with different rules.
18:35:59 And they had more people than National Ocean Service.
18:36:03 And they were giving people only 10 MB of storage.
18:36:08 And in National Ocean service on my mail server that I was running. People had half a gigabyte, but this was.
18:36:16 20 some years ago.
18:36:18 When we were going to move, we would, they said, we have to consolidate onto one mail system, and I chose Gmail.
18:36:27 Which you can have your own private part of Gmail. So it was a government account. It was very tightly protected, and when you sent something it didn't go to Gmail. It went to Noah Gov.
18:36:39 But that was our mail system, and we went from having 500 half a gig of storage on my mail system to having.
18:36:48 A terabyte for everybody.
18:36:51 So we could exchange a lot more scientific information.
18:36:56 And Gmail is is web based as well as Msn. Mail and a lot of the other ones.
18:37:01 The exception is exchange, which is server based, which means you actually have to have a physical server, and at that time.
18:37:09 Is, I recall you. Could you had to have a server for every 127 employees? Well, if you take.
18:37:16 15,000 employees, plus 10,000 contractors. We would have had a building just full of servers to run everybody. So we decided not to go with that, and we went with with Gmail. But.
18:37:29 Today, if you if you try and set up that account as Microsoft Exchange, that's not.
18:37:36 In the least bit obsolete. It's still.
18:37:37 What enterprises have, like large companies, and so on. So.
18:37:43 Within Microsoft is called Exchange be, and the server is in their building with them.
18:37:49 Okay.
18:37:49 With Outlook and Msn, and so on. So forth. It's all web based, Gmail.
18:37:57 Was a huge.
18:38:00 Threat to Microsoft.
18:38:02 So Microsoft greatly changed. How they do mail today! But in terms of the.
18:38:06 Protocols that they use. They all use the same protocol.
18:38:09 The problem you ran into on authentication is that Microsoft used to have.
18:38:15 Very poor authentication.
18:38:18 It was easy to get around. It was easy to break.
18:38:21 And everybody else was going to newer protocol. So Microsoft.
18:38:27 The chairman of my the current chairman of Microsoft.
18:38:29 Is very gung ho on security.
18:38:32 Chair, for I don't know.
18:38:34 6, 7 years, and he's greatly improved the security and.
18:38:40 That what they're trying to do is they're trying to get people off of things like.
18:38:44 Windows Xp.
18:38:47 Which is almost anybody who has a windows. Xp machine has a machine that's been compromised because the
18:38:53 The security so bad, and there's really no way to fix it.
18:38:56 So to to force things like that. Microsoft said, Okay.
18:39:01 You must be at least this high to enter our ball, crawl, and they put in these new authentication protocols.
18:39:07 It should be invisible to you. It's just a much more secure way of talking to them. So.
18:39:13 If you're happy with what you have, that's good. But if you want to try an experiment, the Microsoft Exchange and mail will probably work.
18:39:22 It's not really obsolete. It's just designed that protocol is used by all of Microsoft mail. It's just called exchange. When you're in a.
18:39:30 When you're in a corporation.
18:39:32 But
18:39:33 Okay? Well, I I found that when I used I I predominantly get my mail on my laptop. I have a macbook air, and I have the rules only set up on the air, so everything comes in through there but my folders that the rules.
18:39:52 The the apple rules use.
18:39:56 Are on the I on the cloud, so I can see what's in the folders, and all my devices.
18:40:03 Okay.
18:40:02 And I also can access my mail.
18:40:06 From Microsoft out on the web. I can get.
18:40:11 To my mail out there, but I don't have the processing.
18:40:16 That I have, except through.
18:40:18 Apple. So that's why I wanted to bring it. In worst case scenario. I had to go. I'd have to go and unsubscribe to a lot of stuff like coupons for different.
18:40:30 You know, shopping and things like that which is doable.
18:40:33 But I was hoping to not have to do that. And so far it's working. Okay. But, as I said, when I set it up as an exchange.
18:40:42 On my Macbook air.
18:40:45 It didn't download the whole message before the rules executed, and I don't know why.
18:40:54 But I went back to setting it up. If you go under.
18:40:59 Apple mail, one of the options there's Yahoo, and there's.
18:41:03 Yeah.
18:41:05 Look, etc, but the there's a 3, rd and gmail, but there's a 3rd party, one a default, one.
18:41:11 And that's what I set it up as I just.
18:41:14 Deleted the account and reset it up. And Microsoft said, sometimes, that's all. It really takes.
18:41:22 To just upgrade everything is just to delete the.
18:41:26 And set it back up again. So.
18:41:29 Hopefully that will work otherwise.
18:41:32 Okay.
18:41:32 Yeah. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to just get rid of a lot of mail I get because I don't wanna have to delete them every day. So.
18:41:39 Yeah. The.
18:41:42 The the protocol that most mail servers use today is called Imap, and you don't really care what it means. But it's imap.
18:41:50 Right.
18:41:50 And Apple uses it. And Microsoft uses it and Google uses it even on the back end. When every time you get a message in Google, you're actually creating a web page on Google's site.
18:42:04 And that's even though it's it's a web page. The protocol it uses to exchange mail and.
18:42:11 Authenticate. Everything is done by imap.
18:42:14 So as long as it follows, imap rules, you should be able to talk to almost anything.
18:42:18 So I'm at removes it from the server. Once it downloads it right.
18:42:23 No pop! Pop protocol removes it from the server.
18:42:26 Oh, okay! Oh.
18:42:27 Imap, leaves it on the server.
18:42:30 Okay.
18:42:29 If you have a pop account.
18:42:32 Things like Pan and a lot of small services.
18:42:41 Okay.
18:42:36 Have pop. Once you read the message it gets pulled off the server. And that's not the case with Imap is basically a database. The mail is on the server until you actively delete it.
18:42:48 And that's why you can look at it on your on your desktop machine. You can look at on your laptop. You can look at on your phone, and it's still there until you actually go to the trouble of deleting it.
18:42:59 That's that's if it's in the inbox right.
18:43:02 And that's it. It's you can create folders and everything in imap. So it's it's still on the server.
18:43:10 It.
18:43:09 Oh, but my folders are actually on the cloud. They're not on.
18:43:13 The mic on.
18:43:16 The Msn. Server, whatever you want to call it. The Microsoft Server.
18:43:20 My folders are on icloud.
18:43:23 I mean you should be able to set them up in imap on Microsoft. But if it's working for you, don't worry about it.
18:43:30 Okay. Thank you.
18:43:34 Anybody else have questions.
18:43:38 I have a question that that.
18:43:42 May seem like it has an obvious answer, but I wanted to check if I buy a new.
18:43:46 Apple watch. It'll come with Ios.
18:43:50 11, according to their tech specs.
18:43:53 Does that mean? Do you think that I would have to upgrade the phone that.
18:43:58 To Ios. 18, before it would work, or would it still work with Ios.
18:44:04 17.
18:44:04 If you had a new phone, it's gonna work with Ios 18, because the new phones from Apple.
18:44:11 Have hooks that are unique to.
18:44:17 Look.
18:44:14 The new phones to support things like artificial intelligence that, and such.
18:44:21 Well, I I don't have it. I've got a 14.
18:44:23 And I didn't really want to update the to Ios 18 until 18.
18:44:32 It shouldn't really make any difference. I will tell you that I have not updated.
18:44:36 Actually, I did update my phone.
18:44:38 I haven't updated my spouse's phone. I because I'm the I'm the guinea pig.
18:44:44 Yeah.
18:44:43 Kathleen has a Phd. In this stuff, and I don't. But.
18:44:46 I I'm the guinea pig, and and she says, Go and.
18:44:50 Go and perform miracles, and I do that sort of thing, and then when it's done, then she's happy.
18:44:55 So I've updated my phone and my ipads and one of my machines. By the way.
18:45:02 Much to my surprise, Apple came up with a whole bunch of updates. Ios. 18 is out ipad OS. 18 Mac, OS. Sequoia, 15 tvos, 18 watch, OS, 11.
18:45:16 Vision OS 2
18:45:20 And they've had updates to Ios 17 and ipads, 17.
18:45:26 And to Ventura.
18:45:27 So they've done some retroactive updates as well. So if you haven't updated
18:45:33 To you don't have to update to.
18:45:36 Sequoia if you don't want to. But if you have one of the earlier operating systems.
18:45:40 You definitely want to look into getting the updates because the updates are security updates.
18:45:45 I'll post information on our website, but it's it's worth
18:45:50 It's worth checking to see if you have an update, an update. What you have, an upgrade gives you a new operating system so that just keep that in mind.
18:46:03 But
18:46:04 If you're if your iphone will support the new operating system, I wouldn't really worry too much about it. The only and I'm going to discuss that because it's the topic of tonight. The only thing you wanna make sure of is that you have enough space on my phone.
18:46:23 It said that it would temporarily remove some of my apps in order to upgrade the operating system.
18:46:30 And that's not as bad as it sounds, because when it moves them.
18:46:35 Apple has a database of what.
18:46:37 Your apps are so when it temporarily removes them.
18:46:42 It will update the operating system. Then it puts it back because it knows you already had those, and it doesn't get rid of any documents they create. It's just.
18:46:50 It's just making room, because the
18:46:54 When it's doing an upgrade, it has to have 2 operating systems at the same time, the one you have plus the one you're going to have. And it just takes a lot of space.
18:47:01 So you it's it's a good idea to clean up any.
18:47:05 Junk you have, but that's that's the topic of the meeting today.
18:47:08 But I really wouldn't hesitate too much about the operating system. Everybody says, wait the next point. Upgrade.
18:47:17 And the security features of the new operating systems are such that.
18:47:22 I just wouldn't worry too much about that.
18:47:26 One. Another thing that people complain about is that.
18:47:28 After they upgrade for a day or 2. Their machines are very slow.
18:47:33 And the reason that has happens is that your your mail gets re-indexed. New photos, which is really quite lovely.
18:47:43 Does new things with your photos, and it does it automatically. But it also.
18:47:48 Choose up some time, so your machine will run.
18:47:51 Slower for a day or 2, as it as it does these things.
18:47:54 And if you leave the machine on overnight, usually by the next day, it's.
18:47:59 Quite sprightly,
18:48:00 But, anyway, that's the topic of the meeting. Any other questions.
18:48:05 Anyone has.
18:48:06 I have a question.
18:48:09 Yes.
18:48:09 Yes, okay. I've got.
18:48:12 Sonoma on my Mac
18:48:14 14.6 point 1.
18:48:18 And it's got a really nice.
18:48:21 I guess you call it wallpaper, whatever it is, the image that comes up.
18:48:26 It's it's it's actually a photograph taken of a.
18:48:30 Of a vineyard in Windsor.
18:48:33 And my aunt used to live there. But anyway, my question is.
18:48:37 If I upgrade is there any way I can save that.
18:48:42 Wallpaper.
18:48:44 I I that's something I haven't actually looked at, but.
18:48:49 I happen to have. I'm gonna show you the new operating system as part of my presentation today, and I'll look to see. But in previous updates. You kept the old wallpaper.
18:49:00 It just added new wallpapers.
18:49:03 And so you shouldn't have a problem.
18:49:05 Okay. Oh, so you just.
18:49:08 Yeah.
18:49:07 There is a way to actually save those out.
18:49:11 You have to do a little exploring, but there is a way to go in and.
18:49:14 And look for the pictures and save them someplace. But.
18:49:17 I don't remember exactly how I did that, but it's it usually retains those. So it's not really an issue.
18:49:25 For my wallpapers. I tend to use my own photographs.
18:49:30 So.
18:49:30 Yeah.
18:49:31 But anyway, this this is.
18:49:33 It's really quite nice. And it actually.
18:49:36 It actually has some animation to it. It's it tends to take you deeper into the.
18:49:44 Yes, if.
18:49:44 Into the the.
18:49:45 Yeah, I know the picture.
18:49:46 Picture each time you log on.
18:49:48 Yeah, I know the picture you're talking about, and I I was quite.
18:49:52 It reminded me very much of when I lived in the Bay Area.
18:49:57 So.
18:49:56 Yeah, yeah.
18:49:57 Alright. Well, thank you. So I guess. The answer then, is, is Google it and see what I can find. Then.
18:50:06 Oral.
18:50:05 Yeah. But I, when we do the presentation reminding me, and I'll look to at the wallpapers to see if the old wallpapers there. But they usually are.
18:50:14 So. So how do you find the wallpaper that's stored.
18:50:22 Okay.
18:50:17 I don't remember how I did that in the past, but it's it's something I did, because I wanted to use one of the wallpapers in a presentation at work.
18:50:26 So I wanted to figure out how to get it.
18:50:29 And I did, but I don't remember. That was like.
18:50:33 Okay, so there's a way, yeah.
18:50:33 10 years ago, yeah.
18:50:35 Just Google, it. Yeah.
18:50:36 It. It's it's all stored on your computer. So.
18:50:39 Some place. It's there.
18:50:40 Yeah, okay, thank you.
18:50:43 Any other questions?
18:50:46 Because if you don't have any questions, I want to show you that really aren't part of the presentation.
18:50:52 So any questions.
18:50:56 I only have.
18:50:58 Yes.
18:50:58 I'm I'm mute. Can you hear me?
18:51:00 Yes, I can hear you.
18:51:01 Oh, good!
18:51:02 I have a question about concerning the email that you sent earlier today with about the books for Sequoia.
18:51:10 Yes.
18:51:09 And I I want to buy them, but I don't know.
18:51:14 Where to put them.
18:51:15 I mean you that app.
18:51:17 I I believe it or not. That's going to be part of the presentation today.
18:51:25 Yes.
18:51:22 Oh, it is okay, because I thought I don't. I don't know how to do that. And I tried to figure it out and.
18:51:29 Yes.
18:51:29 And very mysterious.
18:51:31 They have apple books is actually quite.
18:51:34 I really like apple books.
18:51:37 I probably have.
18:51:40 2,500 books and apple books, and I probably have.
18:51:43 1,500 in kindle, so, as you might guess, I read a lot when we moved out from the east coast to the west coast.
18:51:52 We gave away 3, 30,000 books.
18:51:57 Yeah, yes, I I didn't give away that many when I moved, but I moved quite a few.
18:52:02 When we moved. When we moved to the east coast the bill was paid by the navy, but when we, after Kathleen retired we moved here we had to pay it, and we decided that was a.
18:52:13 The 10 age on 30,000 books is quite extensive.
18:52:17 We had a 2 story hound in house, plus a basement.
18:52:21 And the basement my daughter described is amazed because of all the bookcases that you went through.
18:52:30 Yeah.
18:52:29 That we had books in every room, I think, except the bathrooms.
18:52:34 I know there are people who have books in their bathrooms. But no, that's.
18:52:38 No books in the bathroom unless you carry it in, but we don't. We didn't have any bookcases or anything.
18:52:43 But I'll show you how to do that, because it's actually.
18:52:46 Okay.
18:52:46 It's actually really easy. And.
18:52:49 And then could I put it on a kindle.
18:52:53 No, you can't, because.
18:52:56 Okay.
18:52:59 Ep.
18:52:55 Apple books, uses something called epub, which is used by everybody except for.
18:53:03 Amazon. Amazon has their own proprietary way of doing things.
18:53:07 So no, it you can't put it on a kindle, but you can put it. It'll put you can put on your Mac. You can put an iphone, you can put it on your ipad.
18:53:16 And all 3 of those have.
18:53:17 The apple books. App so. But I'll show you how to do that.
18:53:22 Okay. Great. Thank you.
18:53:24 And we have room. We have time for about one more question, and then I want to show some stuff.
18:53:32 Anybody have a quick.
18:53:36 Okay.
18:53:33 Okay, I have another question. Then I take a lot of pictures with my iphone. 15.
18:53:39 And they're on my iphone. 15. I forget to.
18:53:42 You know. Put them in, you know. Transfer them to my computer.
18:53:48 Is there a way to do that easily, or do I have to.
18:53:51 If you have decent Internet access, I would highly recommend that you upgrade from the basic.
18:54:00 Icloud storage, which is, you get 5 GB.
18:54:03 To the whatever level you need.
18:54:05 And Kathleen and I my case. We.
18:54:09 A family plan that shares.
18:54:12 2 TB of space on Apple's cloud.
18:54:16 And I use it. Kathleen uses it. My son-in-law uses it. My daughter uses it.
18:54:21 And essentially my granddaughter, who just turned 7, uses it because she steals her mother's phone and takes pictures of.
18:54:30 And directs movies and has conferences in front of stuff toys. They're her audience.
18:54:36 So she's she's become a big user, too. But if you have that shared plan.
18:54:41 If you take a picture on your phone.
18:54:43 It will be sent automatically to Icloud. And when it's in icloud, then it can be accessed by your computer. It can be accessed by your ipad. Any of them can grab those.
18:54:56 And it's much. It's it's it's transparent.
18:55:00 You don't have to really work at it. It's just it just happens your Mac updates.
18:55:07 The photos and grabs them from the cloud. They come from your phone.
18:55:13 The it's really.
18:55:15 It's really the easiest way to do it. You can do it manually, but it's it's it's much more work. And also you forget. And sometimes you'll duplicate.
18:55:25 Transferring photos, and then you have duplicate photos, and so on.
18:55:28 So it's it's fairly painless.
18:55:31 To just let Apple do it in the background with the cloud. You can get 50 GB plans and 200 GB plans, and they're not really that expensive.
18:55:42 Okay.
18:55:42 The 2 TB is only 9, so.
18:55:46 Yeah, but that's per month. So it's it's it's it's.
18:55:50 Yeah.
18:55:50 Yeah.
18:55:49 But it's still it's still not bad, and we have the family plan, because that way we pay one. I pay one fee, and all of us get to use it.
18:56:00 On the family plan.
18:56:00 Yeah, okay.
18:56:01 It's an easy way to, especially since my daughter's in England.
18:56:04 If we were to mail photos back and forth we go bankrupt because it's really expensive. But with all of the photos on Icloud. She takes photos of our granddaughter at school, or.
18:56:17 Or my son-in-law doing something strange.
18:56:20 All I have to do is just go look, and it's there.
18:56:23 So it's it's a. It's a new way to transfer stuff back and forth.
18:56:28 Yeah, I have. I have a quick question.
18:56:32 Yes.
18:56:32 It has to do with what we're just talking about. Storage.
18:56:36 I was getting. I've got the I've got the 50.
18:56:40 Gigabyte icloud.
18:56:43 And that's not even, you know. That's I'm not close to that yet.
18:56:47 And then I've got.
18:56:50 I was getting a message.
18:56:54 On my.
18:56:55 Email from Google Mail saying I was just about out of storage and.
18:56:59 If I if I exceeded that, then my email wouldn't work. And so I.
18:57:04 I went ahead and upgraded that.
18:57:08 For 2 or $3 a month.
18:57:11 Now is that separate? Is the Google.
18:57:16 Storage separate from the icloud. And what the heck is that about.
18:57:20 And.
18:57:18 Yes. Yes. Google has. Google has.
18:57:24 Th, the most complex machine.
18:57:26 Humanity has ever built is Google.
18:57:29 When you go into Google.
18:57:32 And search for something. You're using the same infrastructure that serves out their mail, that stores that does chat sessions. It's all one huge worldwide machine that uses millions of servers. So
18:57:46 It's the most complex thing that mankind has ever built. It's it's.
18:57:50 Much more complex than the space program. It's much more complex than the Manhattan project.
18:57:55 It's just really.
18:57:57 Stagger what it is.
18:57:58 Okay.
18:58:00 Apple's cloud is not nearly as big, but it's hyper focused.
18:58:05 On the user. Whereas Google's is hyper focused on enterprises. So with Apple, their their user is always the person in front of the computer or in front of the phone.
18:58:27 Yeah.
18:58:17 So they don't. They don't try to advertise on on their network. You're going to Google, and you type out something and gives you advertisements for various things, and Gmail gives you advertisements apple doesn't do that. There's hyper focused on the users.
18:58:33 And it's also hyper focused on security. So Google has good points. But Apple's cloud is completely different, and it has a very different focus.
18:58:43 Yeah.
18:58:42 You might have seen that commercial on TV where the.
18:58:46 Cameras are floating around in the air, and they're flying and spying on people's phones.
18:58:50 And that's basically how most everybody else does.
18:58:54 Their their mail, and things like that apple does not. If you wanna do, private.
18:59:01 When you take a photo, it's on your phone and your part of Apple's Cloud. Nobody else has access to it.
18:59:08 So it's a, it's a very different focus than Google has. And it's a completely different infrastructure. It's it's not really shared.
18:59:17 At all, and.
18:59:17 So, so.
18:59:18 But you can also use your gmail account on apple.
18:59:22 And then you don't have that problem.
18:59:24 Yeah, the other one. That actually is a fairly good cloud is Microsoft's cloud.
18:59:31 So if you if you use onedrive and outlook, and so on. Their security has vastly improved over the last.
18:59:41 5 years. Yeah, I would put in terms of the of the security and privacy apples at the top.
18:59:48 And microsoft is behind. But you can. They can at least see Apple in the distance. And Google's is.
18:59:59 Very robust, but.
19:00:01 They do harvest information. They do. They do just from watching your patterns. They can tell that you're over 50, that you have grandkids, that your washing machine uses this kind of soap.
19:00:17 Yeah.
19:00:14 All kinds of things just from watching your activity when you're using Google. Apple doesn't do that.
19:00:22 Microsoft does that somewhat, particularly if you use their cloud services. But Google, that's that's a bread and butter.
19:00:30 So.
19:00:29 They're not. They're not selling your name. They're they're telling people.
19:00:33 What your likes and dislikes are. My prime example was, I was looking at something I was looking about.
19:00:40 The characteristics of a new Air Force aircraft.
19:00:44 And I'm a military historian. So you know, that's perfectly reasonable for me to do.
19:00:49 Within the hour at work. I went on to the Washington Post, and there was an ad there placed by Google telling me how to buy one of these planes from general dynamics.
19:01:02 Couple of years.
19:01:02 You know, that's that's that's how Google makes their money.
19:01:06 Yeah. Yeah. So now, by virtue of using Gmail. Now, do I need to have Google's.
19:01:15 Storage system, I mean, that's that's what was alluded to.
19:01:20 I'd.
19:01:18 And well, it depends upon what you do. There is a difference between.
19:01:23 How, how Apple integrates their things is different than how Google does. So you can get Gmail and have it show up in Apple's.
19:01:30 Client. But it's still Gmail. It's stored on Google Server, and it still has the storage limits that Google has. And all of that, when you're using apples, it has nothing to do. When you're using apple mail to read mail on apple system has nothing to do with Google. It's a completely different system.
19:01:49 Okay.
19:01:48 And so the security is different. You're just looking at a client that integrates them all together. So I you can have Gmail and outlook and everything.
19:01:57 You open up apple mail, and you see them altogether.
19:02:02 So it's it's it's it's.
19:02:06 Apple Mail is actually quite.
19:02:08 Quite
19:02:10 Adaptive that way.
19:02:13 My
19:02:14 User group on the east coast that I'm still active in.
19:02:18 I have. We have our own mail server, and that shows up in apple mail. It doesn't even have to be a commercial server. It's our own private server.
19:02:27 And you know apple mail doesn't care as long as you get the credentials right. It's perfectly happy.
19:02:36 Okay.
19:02:35 Are you going to cover the new? I message.
19:02:39 That I'm not going to cover, and the reason is that.
19:02:43 Well, I have it on my phone. I haven't actually played with that. There's other things I'm going to do. So I'm.
19:02:49 I I'm I'm curious about some of the things, but I haven't had time.
19:02:53 To practice the, in fact, though.
19:02:55 The last 2 days have been.
19:02:59 Occupied with health issues, not mine, but to others.
19:03:03 And I've just been busy.
19:03:07 And I'm also I'm also careful when it comes to.
19:03:09 I have we, Kathleen and I. Between the 2 of us we have 5, Max.
19:03:14 So I can experiment on a machine, and it doesn't really interfere with what we're doing.
19:03:19 But with your iphone, that's.
19:03:22 You carry that all the time. So.
19:03:24 I'm I experiment with on my phone. And then when I know.
19:03:29 How it works. Then I put it on Kathleen.
19:03:31 Because she does have questions and what I just haven't had a chance to play with messages enough.
19:03:38 And like.
19:03:39 I I just read today that it.
19:03:42 It's not going to be. I mean, you will be able to use Rcs to communicate with.
19:03:48 Android, and so forth.
19:03:49 But it won't be end-to-end encrypted.
19:03:54 That's because Google is the way they're doing encrypted. It's a, it's a standard. And that's what Google says they want to do. They want it to be a standard, but the trouble is the standard they pick was broken about 4 or 5 years ago.
19:04:10 And and part of the problem is that messages has to be messages th. The protocol has to be backward, compatible. It's was based upon something called SMS, which stands for a simple ma messaging system.
19:04:24 That came up back in the days of Nokia.
19:04:27 When Nokia was basically the only mobile phone that anybody had.
19:04:32 And had a hundred 40 character limit and a bunch of other things, and apple mail.
19:04:37 Has gone beyond that by leaps and bounds you can send movies. You can send contracts. You can do all kinds of stuff with apple mail.
19:04:44 And you can't do that with SMS. In fact.
19:04:48 I had a friend who had an old Nokia. Don't ask why.
19:04:52 And when I sent him this long he asked for something that was fairly complicated. So I sent him something that was about 2,000 words. It broke him up into 140 character messages. So he got this stream of messages from me.
19:05:05 Because it it has to be backward, compatible, and SMS has no encryption, but some of the newer protocols do, but those encryptions have been broken, and apples.
19:05:16 Encryption is much more robust. But when it's talking to something outside of Apple's.
19:05:24 sphere. It uses whatever protocol the other party is using.
19:05:28 And apple refuses to budge on that.
19:05:31 And I don't blame them.
19:05:33 You know.
19:05:36 Apple has published their protocol. By the way, if Google wanted to use it, they could.
19:05:42 Anyway, before I get to presentation. There is one thing.
19:05:45 That I do want to show people.
19:05:47 And yes, you had a question.
19:05:51 Link, to sign in.
19:05:53 I didn't make one. I'm sorry.
19:05:56 Oh, okay.
19:05:59 I'm gonna share my screen.
19:06:04 Share that one.
19:06:07 And move this out of the way because you don't care.
19:06:10 And move this in.
19:06:12 This is Beta.
19:06:14 Which means that it's not really public yet. But this is beta maps, com beta maps, apple com. And I told I typed in swim, and it shows swim here. This, this is basically where City Hall is.
19:06:32 And there's this nice tall building, cause we're a metropolis. But it's actually fairly.
19:06:39 It's actually fairly cool. You can type in something like.
19:06:54 And you can see what a bigger city looks like.
19:06:58 And when you zoom in.
19:07:01 It gets really quite interesting.
19:07:05 This is the San Francisco City Hall.
19:07:09 Which has been in many movies as substituting for the.
19:07:15 Congress. It's a nice dome building, and if you look around
19:07:20 It's got quite tower, and all kinds of things.
19:07:23 I don't know if you're familiar with.
19:07:25 With San Francisco. But it's got a lot of landmark buildings.
19:07:30 So we can go over here to Tower.
19:07:33 Zoom in.
19:07:38 And basically, that's the profile of quite tower.
19:07:42 And you can make it 3D. And you can look at it from side to side. But it's worth playing with. Beta maps, apple com.
19:07:50 I'm not gonna compare it to Google. But the.
19:07:56 Way in which it works. I think it's.
19:07:58 I think it's nice. The reason why I bring this up.
19:08:01 Is that you? You can do really nifty things with apple maps. I it's now my default navigation. Even in the local area.
19:08:09 But if you find someplace, and you want to share it with somebody, because it only works on.
19:08:14 At Max. It doesn't. You can't really share something with this. You can go into beta maps. Applecom, go someplace.
19:08:21 Grab this URL and share it with somebody.
19:08:24 So it's it's really quite cool. It's got demographic information, all kinds of stuff.
19:08:28 And right now it's.
19:08:31 It's worth going to play with.
19:08:36 The main presentation today is going to be about.
19:08:40 How to prepare.
19:08:42 For upgrading, and the preparation is pretty much the same. No matter if you're using a Mac or you're using an ipad, or you're using.
19:08:50 A iphone.
19:08:52 It's basically the same thing. The 1st thing you want to do is you want to go and empty your trash? A lot of people.
19:09:00 Never empty their trash. I have no idea why.
19:09:03 But you can even go in and set preferences for.
19:09:08 Emptying trash automatically. I always do it manually, because I it's nice to know.
19:09:12 When I throw something away, but empty. The trash is the 1st thing you should do.
19:09:15 The other thing that people don't do is they don't go in to their mail and get rid of mail, so.
19:09:22 For example, if you.
19:09:25 Come on. Oh, it's on different screen.
19:09:27 If I go into my mail, and, as you see, I've got a whole bunch of different accounts.
19:09:34 In the junk mail. Oh, that one doesn't have any but this one junk mail. There's 1,006 messages in junk.
19:09:41 Before I upgrade this machine, I really should just get rid of the junk mail and get rid of the stuff in trash.
19:09:48 And I've got a lot of accounts, a lot of things that I.
19:09:52 Why do you want to do that? Is that when you.
19:09:59 When you.
19:10:03 Upgrade. It indexes all your mail. There's no reason for it to index your trash. There's no trash in your mail. There's no reason to index the trash.
19:10:13 On, and trashcount on your Mac.
19:10:15 And it lies to phone iphones as well as my ipads. Just get rid of all the junk mail, get rid of all the trash.
19:10:24 Make sure it's it's got as much space as you can possibly use. The other thing is hard. Drive.
19:10:29 This particular machine says, my.
19:10:32 Hard drive has a hundred 80.2 3 GB available.
19:10:36 Why is that important? Well, it's important because of your memory.
19:10:41 This machine. It's an apple studio.
19:10:44 Has 64 GB of.
19:10:47 Memory. Generally speaking, you want to have.
19:10:52 At least twice as much.
19:10:54 Free disk space as you have memory on your machine.
19:10:57 The reason is as you use memory for complex tasks, like movie editing, or even using Google, chrome uses up staggering amounts of memory.
19:11:06 If your Mac does not have.
19:11:09 Enough memory. It pages out stuff to the disk, which means it writes it temporarily to the disk.
19:11:16 And you, if you don't have twice as much memory space free on your disk as you have memory. Your machine slows down.
19:11:25 So you want to get rid of things on.
19:11:28 That are taking up memory on on your disk. Drive.
19:11:32 Your startup disdrived now my machine has several, but it's the startup disk drive. That's important for this.
19:11:38 To upgrade your need at least twice as much.
19:11:41 You need about 3 times as much space as the current operating system, because it needs the old one.
19:11:47 The old one has to be running in order to install the new one, and then it has some place to.
19:11:52 Store temporary files. So you need space there. But once it's running, you also want to make sure that when you're using complicated programs and your computer pages things out to memory.
19:12:02 That it does so with enough space, and the general rule of thumb is you should have twice as much free space on your startup disk as you have memory in your computer.
19:12:12 So in my case I should have 120 gigs free, and I have a hundred 80 gigs free. So I'm doing fine.
19:12:19 Now the interesting thing is, if you look at this, if you click on your desktop and then do a right click and say, Get info.
19:12:28 This says that I've also got.
19:12:32 13. I've almost got 14 GB worth of stuff on my desktop.
19:12:37 Before you upgrade. It's a good idea to get everything off your desktop.
19:12:41 Your desktop, especially if it's scattered all over the place, like, for example, the stuff in this folder.
19:12:47 And the stuff in this folder. If it was all over the desktop, like a lot of people have.
19:12:52 It takes time for the new operating system to index all of that stuff and put it where it's supposed to. You have it in a folder on the disk drive and not on the desktop. It doesn't take up that much time.
19:13:03 So cleaning stuff off of the desktop.
19:13:07 Get rid of things out of trash. Get rid of your junk, mail in your mail.
19:13:12 All your mail accounts. Get rid of the trash, and all of your mail accounts. Don't store things there.
19:13:19 That is, that greatly increases the ability for the upgrade to work.
19:13:26 Properly. The other thing that you want to do is you want to go into your operating system? Where is my settings? Go into my operating system.
19:13:35 And click on general and click on software update.
19:13:39 And it's going to turn here for a little bit.
19:13:43 Looking for updates.
19:13:44 I mean, it says that I can go to Mac OS. Sequoia, 15. But if you look down here I can also update to Mac OS Sonoma, 14.7.
19:13:53 Well, since that's the operating system that I'm currently running. Sonoma.
19:13:58 It's really is a good idea to update your current operating system.
19:14:04 1st before moving to a new machine. Among other things, you might fix a problem that will slow down.
19:14:15 using the new operating system. So.
19:14:17 Make sure that your current operating system.
19:14:20 Is
19:14:23 What you what? You make sure that it's up to date.
19:14:28 The final thing that you want to do and it's difficult to do is go in and see.
19:14:34 How much space things are taking up in your icloud.
19:14:38 If you look at Icloud, it's got just different things here and family, and so on. I've got a lot of space, but on your phone, you will find that if you go into the applications.
19:14:50 You might be using a huge amount of memory.
19:14:53 For messages. A lot of people never go through and prune their messages, and by that I mean, you go in and you get rid of all the people asking for money, for donations, for political parties, all that stuff.
19:15:07 Get rid of old threads that you don't need anymore. If the people sent you movies and documents save those to disk and delete the messages.
19:15:15 Because messages can take up a lot of room.
19:15:18 My phone right now has.
19:15:21 15 GB worth of messages.
19:15:24 Now the messages themselves are really small. All of that stuff is really the attachments to messages.
19:15:31 So go through and clean that up, especially on an iphone and ipad, it takes up a lot more space than you might think.
19:15:38 And the other thing that's kind of complicated is that when you clean up messages on your iphone it doesn't clean it up on your ipad does not clean it up on your Mac.
19:15:47 And I'm not even going to try and explain why. But it's not. It's not a simple process. You have to do it on all of them.
19:15:56 Now here, is.
19:15:58 This machine, which is a machine to my.
19:16:03 Right, by good! 5 feet away is a Mac mini.
19:16:06 And the Mac Mini has a whole bunch of drives on it.
19:16:09 This throwing a whole bunch of stuff. This was the 1st thing that I upgraded to Sequoia.
19:16:14 And, much to my surprise, it took one of my photos and stuck it in.
19:16:19 As a desktop picture the
19:16:24 The startup screen when you boot into the new operating system. Also.
19:16:29 Comes from your desktop settings. So if you set your desktops to be.
19:16:33 Your own photographs. You'll get your own photographs. So.
19:16:37 We come here, and since somebody asked me about it.
19:16:41 We go to? Where is it?
19:16:45 Desktop display wallpaper. That's what I want.
19:16:49 Here are the wallpaper choices.
19:16:51 And if you look at the wallpaper you'll see some of these things are really old like that.
19:16:56 Dates back several operating systems.
19:16:59 Or you can go to this one which is new, or this one which is new.
19:17:04 Or this one?
19:17:07 Which is new. But it's not working.
19:17:10 Why didn't you switch? I don't know.
19:17:13 I want this one.
19:17:14 The underwater is not showing up.
19:17:18 I didn't try this before.
19:17:20 Anyway, there are a bunch of underwater.
19:17:22 And
19:17:24 All kinds of stuff, but the one that I picked.
19:17:30 Was. That's not the one I picked.
19:17:34 That's
19:17:36 You can also have your own photographs.
19:17:39 And I'm not sure where that is. Screensaver. That's that's the one I was looking for.
19:17:43 You've got a bunch of stuff that goes. This goes back like.
19:17:48 Hello! Goes back at least.
19:17:50 I don't know. Years and years and years.
19:17:54 As a screensaver.
19:17:56 And then you can also just pick your own. So.
19:17:59 You find something that you like and.
19:18:01 It. It'll just play those. So.
19:18:04 I told it to play photos.
19:18:07 And I can preview it.
19:18:09 Can I preview? It's not preview. Yeah, I don't care.
19:18:14 But as far as I can tell, it keeps the old.
19:18:18 Wallpaper and.
19:18:21 Screensaver settings, and I lost my mouse. There's my mouse.
19:18:30 Generally speaking, it looks a lot like the
19:18:33 Current operating system Sequoia looks like.
19:18:39 A lot like Sonoma.
19:18:42 They kind of group things a little bit better.
19:18:45 One of the things that I always looked for is login.
19:18:49 There are a couple things that I liked about login.
19:18:52 I want to know what things are automatically launched when I log in.
19:18:57 And down here there are a bunch of things that.
19:19:01 I can add actions to markups in the finder, and so on. These are from apple.
19:19:06 But you'll not notice. There's also Microsoft licensing the machine has Microsoft office on it.
19:19:12 So when it launches, it's.
19:19:14 Checking with Microsoft. See if I actually have a license for that micromat is a.
19:19:19 Is a company that does things that do diagnostics on the machine.
19:19:23 I have no idea what this thing is. There's a Google Updater, and there's 1 password.
19:19:29 Which I'm probably not gonna be using in the future.
19:19:32 The other thing that I have is open at Login, and I have open 2 applications.
19:19:39 Why, they have things open at login. It's just something I use a lot, and stickies are both.
19:19:44 Stickies as an apple program. That's stickies right there.
19:19:50 And Todd is a 3rd party program that allows you.
19:19:54 To do, have little notes in it in a different way. And so those things open, and something good idea just to go through here.
19:20:00 The login and see what.
19:20:04 Your machine is opening when you fire it up, and if you don't want to do that.
19:20:09 Then
19:20:11 Change it.
19:20:12 The other thing is that what do I want?
19:20:16 The users to be. There's a.
19:20:17 There's a Peter Lion which is my fake person. There's me.
19:20:21 There's me again in a different name, and there's a guest
19:20:24 Which I've turned off so that guests can't do anything.
19:20:28 Does it log in automatically know? What does it require? A name and password.
19:20:34 And a bunch of other stuff.
19:20:35 So checking the login items is always a good idea, and it's changed slightly. Wanted show. You.
19:20:42 For a second. How I did this on your Mac. If you have a recent operating system, there's an application called screen sharing.
19:20:51 And if I drag it over here.
19:20:55 Screen sharing. These are different machines that I can.
19:20:59 Screen share with. I can't really screen share with Butch, because I don't have that anymore. So I need to get rid of that.
19:21:05 And let's delete butch.
19:21:09 Which is a machine that I gave to a brother-in-law. But.
19:21:13 The machine. This connected to right now is called quartz.
19:21:17 And there's another one called Imp, and there's and.
19:21:19 The machine that I'm running is called Maple.
19:21:23 And supersonic is another machine and exodus another machine that I don't have, so I should probably get rid of that too.
19:21:31 Delete.
19:21:34 But this application is called screen sharing, and allows you, if you have more than one Mac, to.
19:21:39 To show the others screen without actually sitting in front of it. So.
19:21:43 In this case this is my.
19:21:46 Other machine, and I'm showing it to you, and it's running sequoia. So we come up here and it says it's a Mac mini, and it says it's running Sequoia, 15.
19:21:57 It looks a lot like Sonoma.
19:22:00 But there are some definite differences in terms of how they've label things. If you if you don't know where something is like, if you want to know.
19:22:11 Keyboard.
19:22:14 Where the keyboard settings are. Just, type it into the search bar, brings up that setting and tells you all the different ways you can.
19:22:19 Keyboard. You can change the language. I want English States, which is different than.
19:22:23 Keyboard for England, which is different than German.
19:22:28 I will tell you that when I was in Sweden once upon a time.
19:22:32 Using the Swedish keyboard. I had a heck of a time writing an email message.
19:22:36 But all of these things there's a lot of things you can do, and if you can't figure out where something is, just, type it in the search bar and tell it to go find it.
19:22:43 And this also isn't Sonoma. But.
19:22:47 I think it's better organized in Sequoia.
19:22:52 Somebody asked me about books.
19:22:55 And the way to add a book.
19:22:58 To books which is on your Mac, and it's on your iphone.
19:23:02 The way to add a book is, download it as an epub.
19:23:07 And double click on the book, and it'll open in books, and at that point it saved.
19:23:13 In your cloud, so you can also open it up on your iphone. If it's on your Mac and.
19:23:19 These are all the books that I have. These are the ones that I was just telling you about.
19:23:24 The book on Sequoia just came out.
19:23:26 And the book on Ios. 18 and ipad. 18 just came out, and this one, which I haven't actually looked at that much yet. But it's solving problem. Mac problems. It's a basic, you know, something's not working.
19:23:38 How do you go about? Speed it up? And the other one that I think, is worth looking at is brand new ones called your online privacy. And it basically tells you.
19:23:48 How to do things privately, but.
19:23:50 If you open up the Sequoia Book.
19:23:53 You can download it and start reading it immediately. Got a nice table of contents.
19:23:59 Let's back up a page or 2.
19:24:06 The nice table of contents.
19:24:08 And
19:24:11 It's also got
19:24:14 An index and the index is basically you could search for anything in here by using the search.
19:24:20 Key because it's electronic. You can search for anything. So you want to look for.
19:24:27 Wallpaper.
19:24:29 I don't know if it actually has an entry for wallpaper.
19:24:33 Screensaver and wallpaper settings. Okay, it does have that. So we go here.
19:24:37 And here tells you about.
19:24:40 Screensaver and wallpaper settings, and giving you different instructions on how to do things.
19:24:44 So that's the Sequoia book.
19:24:47 And these things are really, basically.
19:24:49 How to do something. You want to do, something that tells you how to do it, or where to go to find it.
19:24:53 And the ipad, 18 and.
19:24:56 Ios. 18. Same kind of thing. It tells you all of that. And because it's electronic, it's the whole book is indexed. You don't have to worry about whether or not.
19:25:06 The person who wrote the book bothered to index a particular term. It just.
19:25:11 They just do it. So that's.
19:25:14 And again to go. Do that if you go to take control books.
19:25:30 And.
19:25:31 You find something that you're interested, like using mobile tech on that.
19:25:38 And it takes you here. You add it to your cart, and.
19:25:42 Then you
19:25:44 Go and pay for it, and you can download it immediately, and it comes in different formats. Most of these are.
19:25:51 And both Epub and in Pdf.
19:25:56 Pdf, I do not recommend.
19:25:58 Because if you try to read a Pdf on an iphone, it's really painful.
19:26:02 Epub is is basically the best way to do this sort of thing.
19:26:07 But that's.
19:26:08 That's how to get information on these new topics. And I'm getting too out of that.
19:26:14 And show you something else.
19:26:17 Which is things that I wanted to show people books because books is is cool, and they got these new books.
19:26:26 These. By the way, these little things here are aliases.
19:26:29 And I, these programs are actually inside of.
19:26:36 Applications.
19:26:37 And if you wanted to go books, you just press B, and it goes to B section. Here's books, and then books, alias, which I'm.
19:26:45 Thought that I got rid of.
19:26:56 Okay and got rid of it.
19:26:58 But this is an alias that when I click on this it just opens up that application of the applications folder. And they've updated freeform, which I'm not going to explain, but freeform.
19:27:10 It's available on the Mac. It's available ipad. It's available. Iphone. It allows you to do things like sketch things and draw.
19:27:20 slides and all kinds of.
19:27:22 It's a it's a. It's a drawing and illustration package. And it's really.
19:27:27 Worth playing with. If you have an ipad, it's especially worth it. If you have an ipad.
19:27:33 Photos is different.
19:27:35 This particular person which I'm showing you. Peter, who doesn't really exist. His photos aren't really all that interesting because he doesn't have that many, but you can look at your library and scroll through it. That's not new. What is, do is.
19:27:50 How it does things like, for example, duplicates.
19:27:53 These are 2 different duplicates. You can have it. Go through and search for duplicates, and you can say.
19:28:01 Merge 2 items, and it'll merge these 2.
19:28:05 Into one. And they're slightly different. One is 87 kB and the other 1 71. So they're slightly different. I'm not gonna do that.
19:28:13 And this looks like the same thing down here. One is 72 kB, and this one's 92 kB.
19:28:18 Have no idea why these pictures.
19:28:21 Are duplicated, and why they're slightly different. So but I'm going to hold off on that because they're not exactly the same.
19:28:26 But it'll also look for things that look like handwriting.
19:28:29 And this is a
19:28:32 Photograph of a Japanese battleship called the Masa.
19:28:37 That was the flagship of the Japanese fleet that destroyed the Japanese navy.
19:28:43 And it noticed the.
19:28:45 The calligraphy on here. So it gives that as an example of a photograph that's got.
19:28:49 Handwriting ones that have illustrations. These are drawings. So because they're drawings one recently saved. These are ones that were recently saved pictures of airplanes.
19:29:02 Recently edited. These were.
19:29:04 Recently edited documents, things that are not photographs. These are mostly pictures that I took of placards at
19:29:13 At museums and such, and that's a newspaper article that I wrote once upon a time.
19:29:18 And imports. These are things that were imported, and they weren't.
19:29:23 Taken from my phone. I was I imported him from someplace, else.
19:29:27 A lot of these are old photographs that I took.
19:29:30 So the way in which it does this there aren't that many categories like it doesn't have selfies, and so on.
19:29:36 But it it categorizes your photos automatically.
19:29:40 And it does a really really good job much better in the new photos than in any previous version.
19:29:46 And by the way, a Selfie is any photograph that you've taken using the front facing camera.
19:29:51 I take what it thinks of selfies. When I'm in cathedrals and big buildings, I just hold the camera flat and shoot straight up so I can get the ceiling.
19:30:02 The the dome at.
19:30:04 York Minster, for example. Like, held it.
19:30:07 Flat in my hand, took a photograph with the front facing phone, and I got a nice.
19:30:11 Photograph of the dome. It's much easier than.
19:30:14 Tilting your head back as far as you can.
19:30:18 And cramping your agent.
19:30:20 So but that that anything that's done with the front facing is considered. Selfie doesn't really have to be. I don't think there's a single I have. That's a selfie of me.
19:30:30 It also will go through and try and get people's and pets. Can't do that.
19:30:35 Days in which photographs were imported or taken, memories, that memories are things that you collect. And it says, Okay.
19:30:42 You did that sort of thing. It's it's really quite good.
19:30:44 But this is a small library doesn't have that many photographs in it.
19:30:48 I don't remember how many it has.
19:30:51 It's got 1,849.
19:30:54 My library has over 100,000, so.
19:30:57 My library is much more complicated, but photos is definitely a really good.
19:31:04 Improvement than it has been in the past.
19:31:08 So that's.
19:31:08 Should I ask a question about that? The photos.
19:31:11 Yeah.
19:31:11 In, the, in, the.
19:31:14 The old operating system. You could.
19:31:16 You could ask me to show you just videos.
19:31:21 Yes, that.
19:31:23 Yes.
19:31:20 Go on is that is that available under that filters thing up in the.
19:31:24 It'll show you videos. It'll show you things that are done in progress. It'll show you things that were shot in raw. It'll show you panoramas.
19:31:33 It's it really does a really good job of classifying. But it's my fake user here. He just doesn't have that much of a variety of photos, but if we had those, my.
19:31:42 I might show you my photo collection because it has a lot more stuff.
19:31:48 The other thing that I wanted to show you, and this is available on the iphone, and the ipad as well is a new application.
19:31:56 That may convince me to stop using.
19:32:02 one password.
19:32:01 Oh, yeah.
19:32:04 And.
19:32:07 Now it's it's a password application.
19:32:09 Now in the past you could use keychain. So let's there's a keychain icon here.
19:32:15 Gotta click. On she came, and it says.
19:32:17 Do you really want to use Keychain? Because we have a new app called passwords, and you say, Open keychain access, and I click on that, and as far as I know, nothing happens.
19:32:26 I don't know if it's a if it got rid of it or not. I suppose I can check.
19:32:35 Teaching.
19:32:40 And yes, there is a keychain.
19:32:44 And it basically doesn't want me to use keychain.
19:32:49 Oh, well, but key team is difficult to use, because it was very cryptic. Nobody knew exactly what it was doing. It's very powerful.
19:32:57 But it's nobody could figure out what it's doing.
19:33:00 Password is is very user, friendly. It shows you an icon of a websites that you have stored a password on.
19:33:08 And it also will warn you about things like.
19:33:10 Peter Lyons, password on the for the straight Mac user group. He has a weak password, so you can upgrade the password type in a new password. It's all kinds of different things you can do.
19:33:22 And Webch, I don't know even why I went to Webch.
19:33:26 Cause. He's a not a real person, and that all has a weak password. But if you have a password for a site that has been hacked.
19:33:34 It'll put up a red notification triangle, saying that.
19:33:38 That site has been hacked, and you need to change your password.
19:33:42 Really really useful thing, and it's easy to use. And it's very visual. It breaks up these things into different kinds of things like.
19:33:50 Peter, the Lion doesn't have any pass keys, but if it does, it would show that it doesn't have any codecations.
19:33:56 Look at all the Wi-fi's that Peter Lion, who's not a real person, has used. He's used a whole bunch of different Wi-fi's, and these all have.
19:34:06 Passwords for them. So it's it's really including the one that I have here.
19:34:12 Which is my own network.
19:34:16 Ones with security problems. It. It shows the 2 that have weak passwords.
19:34:21 And ones that are deleted.
19:34:23 Now, here's a question for you. Why would you want.
19:34:26 To know about deleted passwords.
19:34:31 I will tell you why you want to know about deleted. You went to a website once.
19:34:37 10 years ago.
19:34:39 Because they had a coupon that you could download, and it gave you $50 off on.
19:34:44 Seat covers for your car. Something doesn't make any difference what it.
19:34:47 You went there 10 years ago.
19:34:50 You haven't been back since.
19:34:52 Well, that place got hacked.
19:34:54 If the Mac knew that you went there 10 years ago and kept the password.
19:34:59 And there's a good chance that it did. If you upgrade an existing machine.
19:35:02 It'll show up here, and it'll say, even though you haven't been to this place in the last 10 years.
19:35:10 It. You have an account there, and it has a bad password.
19:35:13 You should go and delete the account, because otherwise people can.
19:35:19 Use the passwords that they harvested from this site to be you. They can use it to try and buy things. They can use it to send messages.
19:35:28 That say it's there, from you.
19:35:31 I have. I'm going to ask a question here.
19:35:33 How many of you are on Facebook.
19:35:38 Nobody's on Facebook. Well, I'm on Facebook.
19:35:41 I love it not very often, but I'm on Facebook.
19:35:45 Well, I have received probably 200.
19:35:47 I'm on Facebook.
19:35:50 I've probably received 200 requests from people that I know are on Facebook, and they say, Would you like to be a friend? And they're already my friend.
19:35:58 What happened. What happened is that somebody was logged into Facebook, and for whatever reason they lost control of their account, or they can't remember the password. So they created a new account, and I know them on the new account.
19:36:11 Some hacker went in, figured out the account name for the old one and his friending people.
19:36:17 To scam them so it's deleted passwords. You might think it's silly. Why would you keep passwords really nice thing to have, so I've done a limited amount of experimentation.
19:36:29 With the new password app, and I think it's I think it's outstanding.
19:36:35 So outstanding that I don't know.
19:36:37 I'm gonna play around with it for a couple more months. But I may end up not using one password, because I really like the.
19:36:46 What it does. The one advantage that one password has over Apple's passwords.
19:36:50 Is that you can also run one password on.
19:36:54 A windows machine.
19:36:56 And at that point, if you have multiple machines, you're still storing them in one.
19:37:01 Secure place, but I really like the way that apple did that.
19:37:08 And
19:37:09 I've been talking for quite a bit.
19:37:12 So I'm going to stop sharing my screen.
19:37:15 And ask if anybody has questions.
19:37:22 Well, I'm still unsure about Sidna. I'm still unsure about downloading an epub.
19:37:27 I mean, I understand. That's what I should do. But where will the book end up?
19:37:31 When you download it'll end up in your download folder. You open up the download, folder, you double, click on it when you double, click on it. It'll launch.
19:37:40 Apple books, and it'll immediately add it to your apple books, library.
19:37:47 Okay.
19:37:45 And once it's in your apple books library, you can look out on your iphone. You can look it on your ipad. You can look it out on your Mac.
19:37:52 It's really handy for.
19:37:54 I. There were some things I wanted to do on the iphone, and I didn't want to read a manual on the iphone, so I brought up a book about it.
19:38:03 On the on the Mac. And it's really obscure stuff that I was trying to do. Nothing that.
19:38:07 Normal human beings would do. But it's really easy to read that book on my Mac, while I'm using my iphone. So have having epubs is a really nice thing.
19:38:18 And yes, I do own a lot of kindle books, but if I have a choice, I buy things in Epubs because.
19:38:25 It's it looks nicer there. It's crisper than Kendall.
19:38:30 And I can look it on my Mac. I can look it on my ipad. I can look it on my iphone.
19:38:34 I do not recommend books as Pdfs. And the reason for that is, Pdf. Stands for.
19:38:41 Portable document format. That's what it means.
19:38:44 So you can take a book and you can show it. You can print a a book to appear to a Pdf. The problem is the dimensions don't change.
19:38:54 So if you have a dimension, the page is 8 and a half inches across.
19:38:58 When you compress that down onto an iphone, it's unreadable.
19:39:04 Right.
19:39:04 With an epub. It flows the text.
19:39:07 So it's like Kindle does the same thing. It flows the text. So if you're looking at on a smaller screen, it flows the text, so you can still read it.
19:39:17 And if you look at a Pdf on your iphone it's almost always unreadable, and if you blow it up, then you can't see everything, because it's cutting off the edges.
19:39:25 So I don't recommend Pdfs. I do recommend. Epubs.
19:39:31 And I'm not opposed to Kendall, because, you know, I've got a couple of 1,000 of them.
19:39:36 But I I just think that the epo format is a is a better format.
19:39:40 And especially in in a Mac universe. And it's a public format. A lot of other people use like, for example, take control books has nothing to do with apple, and you can download ebooks.
19:39:52 The only one who insists on doing it.
19:39:55 Proprietary is Amazon.
19:39:58 Amazon once your money, and they want your money now, and they want your money next year, and the year after that.
19:40:05 But the Epub formats an open format. Anybody can do it. In fact, if you want to, you can produce epubs on your own. If you go into the apple store there are programs that will take a book that you've written and spit out an epub.
19:40:17 So you can do it yourself.
19:40:19 I did that, Noah. We had a book on coral reefs of the United States.
19:40:25 And we were trying to figure out a way to distribute it, and we distribute it as a Pdf. When we distribute it as an epub.
19:40:32 And I was tracking it, and for the 1st month.
19:40:36 The Pdfs were ahead like they.
19:40:39 People downloaded 3,000 copies.
19:40:41 But once they realize what they could do with an epub the second month it was. It was like.
19:40:46 15,000 Epubs, and 4,000 Pdfs.
19:40:51 Because it's a much more flexible format than a Pdf. It was a wide book was 18 inches across. The physical portion, which means. The Pdf. Was 18 inches across, and you look at a small screen, and it became much harder to read.
19:41:05 But as an epub it flowed things around very nicely.
19:41:07 I have a question.
19:41:11 Yes.
19:41:12 I was going back in messages. You said to.
19:41:16 Delete messages, and I just had to do like each message.
19:41:22 A time. So say I have a girlfriend that we've been communicating with.
19:41:28 For 4 years, and I had messages clear back from when we started.
19:41:34 Is there a way that I can delete.
19:41:37 Most all of them.
19:41:39 Unfortunately. No, it's pretty much an individual thing. You do it message by message, unless it's a thread that you want to just get rid of.
19:41:47 The other thing about message. That's kind of irritating.
19:41:51 If you have a a message string.
19:41:55 To your daughter, and you have a message string to your daughter and your other daughter, and you have another message string to your daughter, your other daughter, and your cousin, and her cousin.
19:42:05 That's 3 different message. Strings.
19:42:08 And it seems like they're duplicated and you can handle it. No, it's those are 3 different strings. And if you send it to, if you create a string to daughter one and daughter 2, and you create a different string to daughter 2 and daughter one. Those are independent. It doesn't realize you're sending it to the same people.
19:42:24 And that's because of the backward compatibility of messages. Start as a really old protocol. And because of that.
19:42:32 It's not like email where it knows. You know that.
19:42:37 That a message to these 2 people.
19:42:40 Is. It's to these 2 people.
19:42:43 With, with messages.
19:42:45 It's a message to a device or a message to person. For example.
19:42:50 I had a
19:42:52 A message from Olympic medical centers telling me to.
19:42:56 That I could
19:42:58 That I should log in on their site.
19:43:01 To do a pre check in, so I don't have to stand there and ask a bunch of questions when I go for an appointment.
19:43:08 I read it on my ipad, and I clicked on the link, and it wouldn't work.
19:43:13 Why? Because my ipad shows the message. But the message was actually sent to my phone number was not sent to my email address. It was sent to my phone number. And while my ipad has a phone in it, that phone just connects it to the Internet, it's not actually a phone. So when I pressed it, it said, No, I can't talk to that, because that that message was sent to a phone, so I can't reply.
19:43:33 I had to open it up on my phone.
19:43:37 And answer it, and answer the questions that asked. You know.
19:43:40 Do you have insurance? Are you suffering from Covid.
19:43:44 When was the last time you run over by bus all those things that they ask when you check in.
19:43:49 But it's it works differently on an iphone than it does on an ipad, because an iphone is a phone. And if somebody sends a message to your phone.
19:43:57 The phone is a different enemy than your email address. That's why, when I send things and messages, I try to always send it to somebody's email address, because that way I can reply to it on my Mac, on my ipad, on my iphone.
19:44:12 But if it's a phone number, you're kind of stuck. Just replying to it on a phone.
19:44:18 We did with that clarifying or just really confusing.
19:44:21 Well, I'm pretty confused, but I I know that I can go in and.
19:44:27 Yeah, just individually, do it.
19:44:31 Yeah, it is. It is a pain. There are some tricks on.
19:44:37 Doing this, but
19:44:39 That would require that I have a whole session on on that.
19:44:43 And and Peter Line doesn't have a bunch of messages, so I can't.
19:44:48 Really show his. I will show you briefly, I'm gonna share my screen so I can show you what
19:44:53 What photos looks like on. Oh, no, because I can't do that.
19:44:54 These are 1015, year.
19:44:56 Because this machine hasn't been upgraded.
19:44:59 Oh, well, the machine I'm using hasn't been upgraded to Sequoia yet, so I can't show you what it looks like with my own library.
19:45:06 My own library has a lot more stuff in it, so it.
19:45:08 It has sections for panoramas and pros, and.
19:45:13 Any way that you can delineate different types of photographs and video.
19:45:17 The new photos does a really good job of doing that.
19:45:20 And it does a really good job of keeping things by dates and special albums that you've done. I'm just really impressed with it.
19:45:27 I did not have an entry for my daughter.
19:45:31 I know I have a lot of pictures. My daughter.
19:45:33 It went through and said, Oh, I know this person's name is like her, and it.
19:45:37 Clumped all of like her pictures together.
19:45:40 Which? Well, it was really quite remarkable that did that.
19:45:43 So I'm really impressed with that.
19:45:47 One thing that is not available on the iphone, the ipad or the
19:45:52 Mac OS is the apples. Intelligence stuff has not been released. That's gonna come in as a separate update later on.
19:46:00 And and that has a lot to do with the privacy and security concerns. Apple wants to make sure that.
19:46:08 As much of the artificial intelligence features that these platforms offer.
19:46:12 Take place on your computer, or on your phone, or on your ipad.
19:46:17 They don't want it taking place in the cloud. If it does have to take place in the cloud, you're doing something that's a little bit more complicated.
19:46:23 It sends a token to apple.
19:46:25 To a private Cloud Service.
19:46:28 And then it figures out the answer to that, and sends it back with a token.
19:46:32 It does not keep any of your identity information. It does not keep track of it. What the heck you were doing.
19:46:38 And that's very different from what.
19:46:41 Chat Gpt and Google and Microsoft are doing with their cloud services apple.
19:46:47 Is really putting an emphasis on privacy and security.
19:46:51 And I think they're just there's some things they want to.
19:46:56 Straighten up before they actually release that. But it's going to be a free update with all of the operating systems sometime. I don't know when.
19:47:06 And in the middle of that I thought of something else I was going to tell you, but I forgot what it was.
19:47:10 I think you were. Gonna show us how to use your phone on your Mac.
19:47:15 I haven't played with that yet, so I don't wanna do that.
19:47:19 Yet there's a new way.
19:47:20 To be a separate that can be a separate meeting.
19:47:23 We we might just do that next meeting, because I if if I figure it out, it's probably not gonna be that difficult.
19:47:29 There's supposed to be a feature in Sequoia that allows you.
19:47:32 To play with your phone as if you're actually playing with it. Only have it up on a screen.
19:47:37 And I think it'd be great for things like demonstrations and such.
19:47:41 But I can. Also. You've seen for other things. There are things that you can do on your ipad, for example, that you can't do on a Mac. You can draw on ipad.
19:47:50 And on a Mac. You have to use computers and mouse, and so on. So it's not quite as.
19:47:54 As as interesting, is using a.
19:47:57 As using an apple pencil.
19:47:59 And I can't remember what I was going to talk about.
19:48:03 I should have had notes.
19:48:06 Oh!
19:48:10 Do, even if you don't want to upgrade to the new operating systems right this minute.
19:48:15 Do go check to see if there are updates to your phone.
19:48:19 Phones. The current operating system, the Max current system.
19:48:24 Their ipads current operating system because all of their updates came out for all of that stuff. They had updates for apple TV. They had updates for vision OS, which I still haven't played with.
19:48:36 But I'm still curious about that. I have. I think I mentioned this. IA friend of mine.
19:48:42 Had a severe injury.
19:48:45 And was confined to bed for several months.
19:48:47 And she's a supervisor at No. One. She was bored. So her husband went out and got her a vision.
19:48:55 And she found out that lying in bed, which she's had to do for several months.
19:49:01 She could do most of her work.
19:49:03 Using vision pro. She had a virtual desktop of her.
19:49:07 And she could read documents and edit documents.
19:49:11 Lying down in bed, and that.
19:49:14 Really impressed her, and I have real interesting questions about.
19:49:20 What that can be, what that can do for disabled people for people suffering from temporary physical disabilities.
19:49:29 It. I see real
19:49:31 Real promise in that, but I don't want to go out and spend $2,500 to.
19:49:37 Play with that right now, but I would like to see it in action. I remember.
19:49:41 The new iphone and the
19:49:46 The apple revealed a new iphone in their presentation on
19:49:53 Last Monday.
19:49:55 And
19:49:58 The thing that really caught my attention, though, was the.
19:50:03 Air pods.
19:50:05 These are my air pods.
19:50:08 And they're really, really nifty.
19:50:11 Apple has done a couple things with their new air pod twos that are really interesting.
19:50:17 One is that it has active cancellation. So if you're on an airplane on a long trip.
19:50:24 Instead of listening to the drone of the engines, it cancels that out, and you can just listen to music without having to crank it up.
19:50:31 That is really an outstanding feature. They also slightly changed the shape. Because if you wear air pods for.
19:50:40 10 h or so. It.
19:50:43 It's definitely will
19:50:45 Feel as if you're wearing air pods 10 h. So they slightly change the shape, and it's supposed to be easier on your ears. But the other thing that's not released yet. But they talked about. I'm fascinated.
19:50:57 They are adding a hearing, aid, element.
19:51:00 To the air pods pro.
19:51:02 So you can use the air pods as hearing aids.
19:51:07 You might know from news reports that
19:51:11 Last year the year before. I don't remember the the Fdc.
19:51:15 Allowed people to sell hearing aids over the counter. You didn't have to go to an audiologist. You could just buy them over the counter. Most of the over counter ones are still quite expensive.
19:51:27 And there's really not a heck of a lot that.
19:51:30 You can. You can do to customize it to your own.
19:51:35 Personal self. I still know most people need hearing aids. I have to go to audiologists and paid more money.
19:51:40 But you can get over the counter ones.
19:51:42 Well, these and apple still working on the surface certification. The air pods.
19:51:47 When they get the certification we'll have a hearing aid function.
19:51:53 And that's impressive. But the other thing they did that's also impressive is that ios. 18.
19:52:00 Can give you a hearing test using the new.
19:52:03 Air pods, too. It'll give you a hearing test, and we'll give you a nice little graph. If you ever had a hearing test. Give you this nice little graph telling you that you know you're really good at this, and you're not so great at that.
19:52:13 It will perform a hearing test.
19:52:16 And then it will act as a hearing aid, and it does it over the counter with the same.
19:52:22 Air pods that you can use for answering the phone or listening to music, or anything else that you do with air pods.
19:52:30 I'm.
19:52:31 I was frankly quite astonished, watching that.
19:52:35 And I don't need hearing aids, but.
19:52:37 I was. I was impressed with the fact that Apple is doing this, and I imagine that announcement also made a whole bunch of other.
19:52:45 Hearing aid manufacturers really, really unhappy.
19:52:49 I don't know if you watch news reports on TV when they have live news, you almost always see the reporters.
19:52:55 With air pods. Air pods are heavily, heavily used.
19:53:00 Next to the iphone. It might be Apple's most popular product.
19:53:06 I just read that apple did get a.
19:53:09 Google.
19:53:10 They did, or they're working on it.
19:53:14 Okay.
19:53:12 They did. Yes, I read this yesterday.
19:53:14 I'll have to. I'll have to go look for that, because.
19:53:18 Again. I don't need hearing aid, but I know bunch of people that do.
19:53:21 And who.
19:53:21 I don't need them either, but my wife says I do.
19:53:27 That's my problem.
19:53:29 My spouse has also made comments to that effect.
19:53:33 She says that.
19:53:34 But you can get the apple air pods, too, on.
19:53:45 Oh, my! Gosh!
19:53:38 Amazon. I believe you know best buy for a hundred $90. So they're like $60 off price.
19:53:47 Really I'll.
19:53:47 Yep. Just saw that yesterday.
19:53:49 Well, it's a good thing that Kathleen fell asleep, because otherwise you tell me to go buy them
19:53:56 I'm already on the hook for buying a new iphone.
19:53:59 Oh, that was the other thing I wanted to tell you about the new iphone.
19:54:04 The big feature which isn't available yet is the artificial intelligence uses a very powerful chip.
19:54:10 That the the chip in the new iphone, especially the iphone pros.
19:54:14 Is more powerful than most desktop computers. So it's a huge amount of power. And they did this. So it can do a lot of artificial intelligence processing on the phone.
19:54:24 And that that impresses me. But that capability hasn't been released yet. What they do have, though in the pro that they don't have in the regular iphone.
19:54:33 Is, they have a new camera system that has 48 megapixel standard lens, but it has a 48 megapixel.
19:54:42 Ultra wide lens. So right now when you, when that ultra wide view.
19:54:47 48, megapixel.
19:54:50 Ultra wide lens is a really fantastic photo means that you can go take a photo of a large.
19:54:55 Area. I can. You know the sear.
19:54:58 And then zoom in onto small parts and actually take it apart and make it an individual with with 48 Meg pistol, so fantastic.
19:55:07 The other thing that you can do with the new iphone pro is that if you're taking something like a telephoto.
19:55:15 Of the same thing that you just took picture with the standard.
19:55:18 It'll use information from the standard.
19:55:21 Photograph to enhance the telephoto lens, the telephoto.
19:55:26 Which is I? It's something I'd have to actually see. But that strikes me is really.
19:55:31 Fantastic. And the video capabilities. A lot of it's it's really kind of astonishing now are using iphones as the camera for a lot of the photographs, because the resolution and the compatibility is so great. There was. I don't remember the name of a.
19:55:51 The film. There was a film out last year, or something where they had this long.
19:55:57 Seeing where it was all lit by candlelight, that whole scene.
19:56:01 Was lit by only candlelight, and was filled with an iphone.
19:56:05 And the iphone. The low, light capabilities did just a fantastic job of that of that scene. So the video capabilities look phenomenal. But I'm not a.
19:56:15 I'm not a videographer. I am a photographer, and the photographic capabilities of the new.
19:56:21 Lens will definitely caught my attention.
19:56:24 And since Kathleen told me that I'm buying one for her, I'll get to play with hers. But
19:56:30 I don't know if you saw the images that I took of the aurora borealis.
19:56:37 I took those with an iphone out at
19:56:41 Out at the shore of Lake Wanda.
19:56:43 And the video of the of the Aurora was just.
19:56:49 Spectacular. I it saw the Aurora better than I could see with my naked eye.
19:56:54 So the new camera will do an even better job.
19:56:58 So.
19:56:59 Doesn't the pro have a 5 power.
19:57:02 Optical Zoom.
19:57:05 Image.
19:57:03 Yeah, but the the 15 has the 5 power optical, too. So the new one.
19:57:08 But it has a 25 power, digital right?
19:57:12 I never showed anything in digital cause. It always looks grainy. I'm.
19:57:16 If you went 25 power, then just shoot it with the 5 power, and then blow it up.
19:57:21 Hmm.
19:57:21 It does. I never use the digital because it just makes things look grainy. Chris, you had a question.
19:57:27 I just. I just posted the FDA.
19:57:33 Announcement at.
19:57:35 An article coverage about Apple's announcement.
19:57:40 It's dated yesterday.
19:57:44 Nice.
19:57:43 And I. I included an excerpt first, st and then.
19:57:49 The link in the next.
19:57:51 Chat message that I sent.
19:57:52 Well.
19:57:54 Well, I'm going to have a conversation with Kathleen because.
19:57:58 Again. I don't need that, but.
19:58:01 She's got a Phd. In nursing, and you know, what can I say?
19:58:07 Is this? This is something she'll be interested.
19:58:13 Anyway, the the
19:58:16 Apple's presentation was was quite informative.
19:58:19 It was aimed at.
19:58:22 Developers and techies, but just a lot of it. The the opening sequence in their in their keynote.
19:58:29 Was a bunch of disabled people telling you how they used apple technology.
19:58:35 The new Ios, for example, has some new functions for for tracking your health, and such.
19:58:41 And the 16. I don't know if it's going to be available on the 15, th if you use it. They even have a sleep apnea function, so it'll monitor.
19:58:51 With I think with the help of an apple watch, it'll monitor.
19:58:59 Hmm.
19:58:54 Your health, and if you suffer from sleep, apnea about that sleep. Apnea is where, when you're sleeping, you stop breathing for a time.
19:59:03 And if you snore you, there's a good chance. You have sleep, apnea, so.
19:59:10 It's it's the Sleep Avenue tracking, was I?
19:59:13 Again because of Kathleen. I was. I was quite interested in that.
19:59:18 But really nice presentation.
19:59:20 They didn't show a lot of stuff. There was a rumor they were. Gonna have a bunch of new Macs.
19:59:27 They didn't talk about Macs at all. They might have something by the end of the year using the new M. 4 chip. There've been a lot of rumors, but.
19:59:35 I haven't seen anything. What did astonish me was that the day that the on Monday.
19:59:41 When they released ios. 18 and ipad OS. 18.
19:59:45 That's also when they came out with Sequoia and everything else.
19:59:49 So basically, every apple device I have needs to be updated.
19:59:54 Which is not a bad thing.
19:59:57 Because, you know, it's like having a new toy to play with.
20:00:04 Any other questions?
20:00:04 Okay.
20:00:06 This, Darcy, I have a question. Is there a reason that we shouldn't update to Sequoia for a while if we have a fairly new equipment.
20:00:17 I don't think it. I can't think of anything.
20:00:20 Bad, but it doesn't. It doesn't hurt to wait a week or 2 and just see what people are saying about it.
20:00:28 Unlike Microsoft apples, never really.
20:00:31 Recalled an update or an upgrade.
20:00:37 It really is.
20:00:38 It's it's well tested. It's been beta tested for months by.
20:00:43 Tens of thousands of people.
20:00:44 You can become a debater for apple anytime you want. There's a.
20:00:48 If you go to Beta Applecom you can sign up as a beta tester.
20:00:53 I don't tend to do that.
20:00:56 Because when I'm supporting people, I want to be able to see the same things that they do. And if I'm using software that.
20:01:01 Nobody else can use. That's confusing. So I tend not to.
20:01:07 Not to beta test unless I have a machine specifically for that.
20:01:10 When I was at. No, I had to do that. And I had a separate machine to do Beta tests with software before we deployed it to thousands of other machines, but.
20:01:18 I was being paid to do that, and the government bought the machine for me.
20:01:23 I'm I'm now retired, and I don't really need to do that.
20:01:27 But it's really difficult to talk to somebody about.
20:01:31 Their problem is on their machine.
20:01:33 When you're using something that nobody else is seeing.
20:01:37 And I can't see the same things they're saying like the question I had about messages.
20:01:41 Haven't played with it yet. But I'm going to play with that. The new messages has some capabilities that.
20:01:47 Are interesting. But I haven't played with it yet, so.
20:01:51 I'll have to. I'll have to.
20:01:54 Do some exploration.
20:01:56 But I, for the most part I really wouldn't recommend that you put off.
20:02:01 And if you do want to stay with your current operating system.
20:02:05 Do the security updates that Apple released.
20:02:08 Because they fix things.
20:02:10 And going to post something on our website about all the things that they fixed.
20:02:14 It's a really really long list for pretty much everything.
20:02:19 Every apple operating system.
20:02:21 Includes a statement saying what they fixed.
20:02:26 So if it's an update or an upgrade, still has a list of things. They fixed.
20:02:31 And unfortunately, that also means it tells hackers.
20:02:35 Where the vulnerabilities are in older software.
20:02:38 So staying on older software is is a risk.
20:02:44 Any other questions.
20:02:52 Well, I thank you. I'm sorry that I didn't have a sign up sheet, but I took a screenshot of the people logged in so.
20:02:59 They'll have to do.
20:03:05 Well.
20:03:03 Next month. I'm probably going to talk more about the new operating system. So I have more
20:03:10 I'll have. I'll have more knowledge of that.
20:03:12 How they work, and I'll give Peter more photographs.
20:03:17 Index. So we can play more with photos.
20:03:21 You thought any more about an in person meeting.
20:03:24 I have. I reserved a place at the at Trinity, United Methodist Church. I think the the 21st of this month.
20:03:32 But I don't know that I'm going to be able to do that because of family health issues.
20:03:39 So. I have the reservation, but I don't know that I have.
20:03:43 The time and the energy.
20:03:45 I. On Monday I was in the er and Port Angeles until.
20:03:50 Midnight, and I didn't get home until 1 9 Am.
20:03:55 So.
20:03:55 And I. That particular day I got up at 5 30 to deal with something so.
20:04:00 It was a very long, long day.
20:04:04 Yeah. Also, I only had breakfast. Never did get lunch or dinner, so.
20:04:11 Carol wanted to ask a question. I think.
20:04:15 Yes.
20:04:14 He's on mute, though.
20:04:15 Did you have a question, Carol?
20:04:19 No, I just wondered.
20:04:21 The health issues? Do we have to worry about them?
20:04:28 Kathleen is is ill, and
20:04:32 That's why I was in the er so.
20:04:38 That's all I'm willing to say. But.
20:04:42 There is concern. Yes.
20:04:46 Well, we'll keep good thoughts going.
20:04:49 We will.
20:04:50 And I'll try to be a little bit more organized next month and have some more things to show.
20:04:58 After doing some experimentation.
20:05:02 I again.
20:05:04 There is a chance that Apple might be releasing some machines next month. They've been rumors about it for months and months and months.
20:05:12 But I don't know if any of it's true.
20:05:16 The M. 4 chip right now. The only machine that is using it is the new ipad pro large ipad pro.
20:05:23 And it's a very powerful chip, and there's no particular reason why it can't be used in a desktop machine. But.
20:05:28 So far that doesn't exist.
20:05:31 So.
20:05:33 Until next month. Thank you.
20:05:36 Alright. Thank you.
20:05:38 Thank you.
20:05:40 Bye-bye.