At Apple’s September 12, 2023, Apple Event, called “Wonderlust,” Apple announced, as expected, new iPhones and Apple Watches. There were no announcements of new HomePods, Apple TVs, or iPads, though there was a mention of the M2 Ultra-powered Mac Studio and the M2-powered 15″ MacBook Air and M2-Powered Mac Pro.
Not mentioned, but of note:
macOS 14, Sonoma, will be released on September 26. It will run on iMac 2019 and later, Mac Pro 2019 and later, iMac Pro 2017 and later, Mac Studio 2022 and later, MacBook Air 2018 and later, Mac mini 2018 and later, or MacBook Pro 2018 and later.
iOS 17 will be released on September 18. It will run on the iPhone SE (2nd gen.), iPhone Xr, iPhone Xs, and iPhone 11 and later.
iPadOS 17 will be released on September 18. It will run on iPad mini (5th generation and later), iPad (6th generation and later), iPad Air (3rd generation and later), iPad Pro 11-inch (all), iPad Pro 10.5 inch (all), and iPad Pro 12.9 inch (2nd generation and later)
Apple watchOS 10 will be released on September 18. It will run on the Apple Watch Series 4 and later, the Apple Watch SE, and the Apple Watch Ultra (all)
Apple notes that not all features of the various operating systems will work on all devices.
Also not mentioned: Apple released some additional security updates on September 11:
ioS 15.7.9 and iPad 15.7.9. This unusual update to an older operating system is aimed at plugging a security issue.
macOS Monterey 12.6.9. This unusual update to an older operating system is also aimed at plugging a security issue.
macOS Big Sur 11.7.10. This really unusual update to an older operating system is aimed, again, at plugging a security issue.
iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus
The new iPhone is newer, faster, more powerful, etc., with an imposing camera capable of taking 48-megapixel photos with the main camera. It also comes with a USB-C connector, in common with all currently offered Macs. This change was dictated by the European Union, which objected to Apple’s “proprietary” Lightning connector, saying it caused confusion. Of course, there are almost two billion devices in use that have a Lightning connector — but confusion about confusion aside, it is a nice improvement.
iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max
The new iPhone 15 Pro has everything the iPhone 15 has, but additionally is clad in a titanium case, making it lighter and thinner. But the real gem is the camera system, which includes a camera with a 5X optical zoom that, under the right conditions, can also function as a 10X optical zoom, allowing you to shoot subjects ranging from bugs (using macro mode) to elk grazing farther away than you might wish. The USB-C connector can also transfer information up to 20 times faster than the USB-C connector on the regular iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus.
Apple Watch Series 9
The Apple Watch Series 9 is newer, more powerful, etc., but it does have some impressive new features, including a more powerful neural processing engine that allows you to use many Siri commands and have them execute directly on the watch, without access to a cell signal or Wi-Fi. You can set a timer, ask for the time, ask the watch to trigger the camera on your phone, and many other things without Siri needing access to iCloud. There are also some new health metrics, making it an even more important healthcare monitor.
But existing watch owners may be most impressed with the ability to respond to many watch prompts with a “double tap” that does not require touching the watch. A double pinch with your watch hand can start a timer, tell your camera to take a photo, answer or hang up a call, and many other things. It also has some greatly improved tricks for using the watch to find your iPhone. Not that anyone has ever had that problem.
Apple Watch Ultra 2
If you like to scale mountains, dive under the ocean, or hike out in the trackless wilderness, the new Apple Watch Ultra 2 has a number of improvements, plus the pinch “double tap” of the Apple Watch Series 9. Alas, it is still the same size, which may be its biggest drawback.
We will talk about these at the SMUG meeting on September 19.
On August 15, 2023, SMUG looked at Google Maps, Apple Maps, Google Earth, and My Maps, an offshoot of Google Maps. Each has its strengths and weaknesses.
We also discussed other topics, such as: why it is a terrible idea to disable the security of a new macOS operating system so that it will run on an older machine that it wasn’t designed to support. In brief, you must permanently disable the security features of the new OS to get it to run on older machines that don’t support that OS. You are essentially crippling your machine and making it far more vulnerable, rather than improving things.
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In September, we will talk about fonts and font management.
August 15, 2023 video recording of the meeting
Transcript of the meeting
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18:29:56 Hey, Lauren. How are you this fine day?
18:29:57 Hello. Nice. I think I see your ceiling.
18:30:02 Oh, oh, no, what you're saying is a little cover I made for my camera on my.
18:30:14 For what it's worth, the Mac is one of the few programs that they can't hijack the camera.
18:30:23 Hello.
18:30:20 Because it goes through Apple security. And if you haven't given permission to use it. Nothing can You have to actually authorize permission to use it.
18:30:32 Well, that's good to know. Course I am one of those that has that really old computer so, mine is a late 2,013 model.
18:30:43 Well that one doesn't have a security chip.
18:30:45 Nope. It does not. Then thinking about.
18:30:54 Programs that you can use to put on operating system that isn't intended to be on there. And I've been thinking about that.
18:31:03 You can take them clear up to the latest one. But Okay.
18:31:05 You realize that in order to do that, you have to completely disable. Security.
18:31:12 Just while it's happening. Oh, it's.
18:31:13 Nope, completely, totally disabled security. So it's probably the worst possible choice.
18:31:18 Hello. Okay, well. Darn.
18:31:25 Yeah, I had a friend to, did that. And. He was also computer security person.
18:31:33 And. He was very proud of himself and I said, I bet I can get into your computer with it locked.
18:31:42 Yeah.
18:31:40 And he said, no you can't. And he said, I've got all kinds of security on this and about a minute later.
18:31:46 Yeah.
18:31:48 He, It's very sad.
18:31:53 Okay, well, I thought it seemed like a too good to be true, but, Apparently it's done quite a bit, so.
18:32:01 Yeah.
18:32:06 Did I?
18:32:01 So did you get a chance to try out for, then, that photo pills, that app that I,
18:32:12 Oh, did they? Yeah.
18:32:09 I saw it and they wanted money so I couldn't even do it. Yeah, they they don't even have a free demo.
18:32:27 No.
18:32:16 And so I saw what it said it did, but the write-up was. Marketing it wasn't really specific enough for me to know what it was they meant I'm I'm one of these people who Done.
18:32:33 I don't like advertising that it's just marketing. I prepared having specifics and I could find Not, enough specific to really know what it is that it that it did.
18:32:46 I mean, if
18:32:45 They send. Go, go ahead.
18:32:58 Okay.
18:32:48 If you watch the drug ads that they have during the nightly news you know, they've got these people wandering around in these pastel colored suits singing and dancing along the beach and everything's bright and sunny and then they list the side effects and you know you could die 500 different ways from this pill but it's still bright and sunny.
18:33:09 And then.
18:33:08 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we thought all of them say, yeah, ask your doctor ask your doctor, you know, so we thought about writing them all down and then taking our doctor just as a joke and say, do I need this?
18:33:25 Yep, they send me a photo pill send me at least 2. Training things a month, I would say, and it's, they'll have, people that are specialists in you know this subject to that subject as far as photos concerned and.
18:33:47 And, there, I don't usually watch them photo pills for me.
18:33:54 I really have gotten out of photography much lately. And but it's it's really in depth it's so in depth that it's It's pretty much over my head
18:33:14 Yes, Well, in my case, I have a lot of, I do a lot of photography.
18:34:16 And it's just that in my case, I'm just dubious.
18:34:23 Yeah.
18:34:23 But a lot of the things that people say that they're going to do. And.
18:34:28 Yeah. Hmm.
18:34:35 So II didn't I didn't get enough
18:34:39 Of a feel for what it was talking about to decide that I wanted to actually try that.
18:34:44 Was it expensive do you remember or? Pretty cheap.
18:34:54 We do.
18:34:48 I wasn't that much, but it's. I got several 100 apps. I, do I really want to spend money on a bunch of other apps.
18:34:59 So.
18:34:59 Right, right, yeah. Yep.
18:35:04 And if you're wondering what I'm doing, I'm belatedly making a sign in sheet.
18:35:09 I kind of figured that might be it.
18:35:15 And.
18:35:19 I don't know what it is that I did. But it's not useful.
18:35:24 I didn't expect to. Be too into this session tonight. We were going to go to the music in the park, but at 90 95 is what my temperature, not down to 93 here at the house, but it's a little too hot to be sitting out there.
18:35:42 Kerry Blake Park.
18:35:44 I'm giving up on making a form.
18:35:48 I'm sorry, I keep bothering you. Go ahead and I won't bother you.
18:35:51 I can.
18:35:51 No, it's it's I'm in the words of Star Trek, I'm emotionally compromised right now.
18:35:58 Yeah.
18:35:58 My spouses, it's hard for me too. Keep track of what it is that I'm supposed to be doing.
18:36:06 And apparently I triggered some. Program.
18:36:13 That is doing weird things.
18:36:19 And I need to make it go away.
18:36:31 It's allowing me to draw on the screen and I don't want to draw on the screen.
18:36:42 Stop annotating the screen. Okay.
18:36:51 Yeah, my spouse is not feeling well and I'm a little bit. Distressed.
18:36:58 Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that.
18:37:15 Yeah, mine's 75. Luckily, I got a heat pump that does a fine job.
18:37:22 Keeping it cool in your.
18:37:03 Anyway, we start off with the questions and answers and you probably went. Questions other than how hot is it inside my house right now and apparently the answer is it's 78 so Well, the.
18:37:25 This the thermostat. Is about as far from where I am as possible. And that doesn't help.
18:37:33 So. They might be doing a better job except that it thinks that I must be. Comfy and I'm not.
18:37:41 Yeah.
18:37:43 Any questions that have nothing to do with my thermostat?
18:37:54 No questions?
18:37:56 Well, if there's none, then what kind of?
18:38:02 The. I have a question for everybody else. The Apple came up with a bunch of updates, last week.
18:38:12 And did you update your iPads and your iPhones and Macs and such? I don't
18:38:23 Yes.
18:38:25 The, it, if you, if you want to know what it looks like because they didn't appear on the security update list.
18:38:33 I think it's the Apple usual. Preparing. The regular operating systems to be compatible with whatever is forthcoming.
18:38:43 They usually have a few adjustments so that. They can slide into the new world without. Causing trouble for people who aren't immediately sliding into the new world.
18:38:56 And they didn't seem to be much security content to that. Most recent updates. They seem to be mostly trying to.
18:39:05 Prepare things for what's coming up probably September, October. So I didn't see anything particularly.
18:39:13 Drastic to people who like to speculate on what Apple is going to be introducing. Notice some things like new sizes of screens options if you're a programmer and you go into the code.
18:39:26 There are new sizes of screen options and hints about new cameras and so on and so forth.
18:39:33 . But I tend to discount that because Apple will will include support for things that they're prototyping.
18:39:42 And it doesn't necessarily mean they're going to introduce things. For example, several years ago.
18:39:48 There was elements talking about the possible. Solid state Samsung camera that Apple never adopted. They stuck it in the prototyping code.
18:39:59 Because they had some people who were going to be testing it. But they decided against it and they stuck with Sony.
18:40:06 Sensors in the in Macs and iPhones. So, II constantly get asked.
18:40:19 I probably was asked like a dozen questions this past week about rumors. I tend to discount the rumors.
18:40:23 I'm, I'm not interested because I'm much, I'm much more interested in the hardware that people are actually using rather than fictitious, fictitious hardware that might come along the road.
18:40:36 So if you're interested in rumors, I don't tend to pay that much attention to them.
18:40:41 I pay much more attention to the security rumors, for example. If you have an Intel.
18:40:47 Based Mac. There is a. A vulnerability the outside there with Intel. Processors that allows you to basically
18:41:01 If you have physical access to Windows machine and you have a specially prepared USB drive you can compromise it in about a minute And there's speculation that you could do the same thing on on the Mac side.
18:41:18 And I've been paying quite a bit of attention to that because I do have a couple Intel Macs and the answer is no.
18:41:25 The way in which it works in the Windows world that So, that type of. Software structure doesn't even exist on the Mac side.
18:41:33 So yes, might have the same CPU, but. There's no vector that you can use to get into it.
18:41:40 So I do pay attention to that kind of rumor, but not to. Not to unannounced, product rumors.
18:41:47 I remember when the the Air Pod max that huge headphones across $700. There were rumors that Apple was going to introduce the $700 headphones and I thought that's got to be bogus and when they actually came out I was a little bit surprised.
18:42:07 So sometimes the rumors are true, but. For the most part, that's not something I pay attention to.
18:42:20 How do I have a question? My wife has an M one. Hi, And Several times in the past week while she's watching Netflix streaming video.
18:42:34 It's gotten overly warmed. Never had that happen before. So I did a chat with Apple support people because it's still under.
18:42:44 Apple care or warranty and all. And they asked me a bunch of questions and so on and so forth.
18:42:51 And then. You said, well, since you haven't got a and I'll alert on your phone or I mean on your iPad.
18:42:58 Popping up and saying that your device is too hot. Then it's probably fine. You have any thoughts about that?
18:42:15 Any other questions, comments? Criticisms of Oh Yeah, the, the iPhone, the iPhone, the iPhone and the iPad can get warm.
18:43:12 If the radios get a lot of use. And the radios can get a lot of use because you're using.
18:43:20 Wi-Fi and the Wi-Fi signals is, is weaker than it should be.
18:43:25 Because in that actually causes the radar to use more power rather than less because if it's got a strong signal it doesn't need to keep on asking to be synced up.
18:43:34 And it can also get warm if, if you're in areas with weak. Cell signals if you're out driving your car, for example.
18:43:45 Because It's, it seems antithetical, but yourself, phone works best if Wi-Fi is also active, even if there's no Wi-Fi signal.
18:43:57 And that's because when an occasionally comes up with a Wi-Fi signal. He uses that to help triangulate the GPS and re-sync things and so on and so forth.
18:44:07 And when Kathleen and I were coming across country, when we moved out here from the East Coast.
18:44:12 We were navigating using my iPad. Using Google Maps. And in the middle of the Arizona desert one day it just said, I've had enough.
18:44:22 I'm overheating and turned itself off. But the iPad itself is still fine.
18:44:27 It didn't hurt it. It saw that it was over hot and turned itself off. The inside of the car wasn't hot.
18:44:33 Was the iPad itself and that's because there was really no signal at all. And that night when I was in.
18:44:41 In the hotel I was looking up what could possibly. Have caused that and I found out a trick to.
18:44:50 To Google Maps which I hope to remember to tell people about. Today and that is that you can download a Google map for an area.
18:44:59 It'll download the image files and needs for the wet map. So that as you as you go on a route.
18:45:07 And it doesn't get a Wi-Fi, it doesn't get a signal, it can still have the maps available.
18:45:12 Doesn't need to pull them via what it uses the GPS in the. Phone or the iPad to know where it is and that moves you along even if you don't have a cell signal.
18:45:23 And that among other things reduces the power. Consumption. And it doesn't make the, It doesn't cause the overheating when you're doing that.
18:45:34 That won't help you when you're streaming though, when you're streaming. Usually if it's getting warm, it's because it keeps on trying to.
18:45:39 To either stabilize the signal or keeps on asking for a rethink. There's a When, when you have, They've done a lot of studies because we've been we've been making motion pictures for some time.
18:45:52 The thing that will upset people more in watching a movie than anything else is if the sound is off. If the sound is off by something like an eighth of a second, it'll just drive audiences nuts.
18:46:04 And so when you see something on a newscast and the News reporters in Turkey and the sound isn't synced up with his voice.
18:46:14 It's just very difficult for you to follow a story. So they invented this thing called QOS.
18:46:21 It stands for quality of service. And it's just another type of packet that they send along in an audio stream or a video stream saying, I should be here.
18:46:29 I should be here. I should be here. I should be here. To tell the rest of the packets that are following where the where current reality is as opposed to where the packets might be coming in.
18:46:41 And if it, if the QRS gets too out of sync, that can cause, overheating of the computer.
18:46:52 Okay.
18:46:50 And it also required, and I also will That's where the video will start stuttering because the Mac, the, the software is trying to rethink up.
18:47:02 To. And so we'll start stuttering. Because it's trying to do a rethink and that will cause a reheat as well.
18:47:11 So the fact that it was streaming doesn't surprise me. And it's hard to say whether it was Wi-Fi or cell, cause I don't know if she has a cell in it, but it's usually because of the wireless signal.
18:47:24 It's not necessarily that your wireless signal is, isn't strong. It just means that where she was at that particular time.
18:47:31 Yeah, it was having trouble and so it keeps on it good does a lot more work because it's asking for the same thing over and over and over again.
18:47:39 And you may not actually know it in the video feed itself if it does it fast enough, but. If it can't, then that's when you start to notice that it's stutters.
18:47:49 But it doesn't, it doesn't surprise me that it. That happens and if it gets too hot the iPad will shut itself off your phone will shut itself off.
18:48:00 As well.
18:48:01 It's never got that hot, but I told you this. We last around our last meeting sometime that.
18:48:09 There's something weird going on with the sounds. Signal, Sometimes go dead even though The lights on the modem and the router don't.
18:48:21 Don't show any interruption.
18:48:23 Yeah. That's because the routers have, they say it's different thing is called an ARP.
18:48:32 It's not really a quality of service thing, but routers send out things called arc packets.
18:48:37 And if the. Tcp IP, which is what the internet runs on it. I don't, don't ask what the TCP IP stands for.
18:48:47 They send these packets of information. Each packet has addressing information and then it has content. And then it's got this thing at the end that says I'm the end of this packet.
18:48:57 So it sends out multiple bytes and it says, I'm the start of the packet.
18:49:01 I'm this long. I was sent at this time. I'm packet numbers such and such.
18:49:06 And then at the end after the date, it says I'm the end of the packet. And when they were I received the TCP IP is designed to be received out of order if necessary because it was designed as a protocol that could be used in case of nuclear attack and you wanted to have reliable communication.
18:49:22 So even if you're your message is chopped up into all these pieces, it'll still assemble itself in the proper order because they're all numbered.
18:49:32 And when you're talking with text, which is what they were originally worried about when they came up with this in the 19 sixtys that's fairly easy but when you start adding things that are really big that becomes very difficult.
18:49:45 And what a lot of people don't realize is that video and sound and everything that's sent over the internet is really just text.
18:49:54 So it sends out this stuff in these 8 bit. 8, bit bit bites. And it breaks it up into segments.
18:50:07 It assembles them in these packets that sends out the packets. The packets are numbered.
18:50:10 And then when it comes in, it reassembles them. And if they start to get out of order too much, the routers start sending out these ARP packets.
18:50:20 And I call them C line packets because if you're explaining to something. Just someone you say art packets and they think you're continuing to be a sea lion.
18:50:28 But the art packet says, hey, I'm here, I'm here. And it's basically a signal to the other routers to say, hey, I'm here, pay attention to me.
18:50:38 And then the other packets start talking to each other and get back in sync. And so it's a it's a it's a complex dance.
18:50:45 And the routers can get out of. Out of sorts too and the router will say, I can see things.
18:50:52 I can see other routers. I'm sending art packets back and forth. So I'm fine.
18:50:57 Doesn't mean your data is lying. Because that's due to what whatever Comcast is doing with their with their signal.
18:51:06 So the routers might be able to see each other but but your signal can still be posed.
18:51:13 It's complicated, but. Yeah. I don't even want to speculate on why.
18:51:22 Some of this stuff from Wave works the way that it does. I spend a lot of my time being very disgusted with them.
18:51:30 I'm a wave subscriber as well. And, they're just things that they do that are unbelievably stupid.
18:51:37 For example, One of the things that they do. It's common to for a lot of spammers to send out a bunch with a to send out email with a bunch of blind CCs.
18:51:48 That about once a week. Wave decides that whatever, for whatever reason, any message you send out that's got multiple blind CCs, even if it's legitimate.
18:51:58 It'll just bounce them all. So if you send it to a wave address, it'll just bounce them all.
18:52:03 So sometimes when I sound out the a smug, messages. We've got about 1520 people who only have a wave address.
18:52:11 I'll send it out to everybody and everybody gets it except for the wave. Subscribers and it bounces every single one of them.
18:52:18 There are legitimate addresses coming from a legitimate address. I'm even a wave subscriber, but it bounces every single last one of them.
18:52:26 And that's, it's hard not to say that's just utter incompetence.
18:52:31 I've run into that. With in other states. When I sent out something with blind CC.
18:52:39 You know, a list of, I've run into the same thing. With people who have the equivalent of a wave address with an ISP and other states.
18:52:49 Which will it'll just bounce it'll either bounce him or what's worse in my opinion is it'll just automatically shuffle them into the junk.
18:52:58 Or the spam folder and they'll never know they have it because most people don't ever look at those folders.
18:53:00 Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I.
18:53:09 I'm not, I'm not happy about it, but I don't really have any.
18:53:14 There's nothing I can do about it.
18:53:16 Yeah, well I was just I was hoping that No bad overheating problem that happened because We're hoping to trade that back in to get an M.
18:53:26 3 iPad here on the Assuming they come out with those this fall. I didn't want it to melt before then.
18:53:32 It probably won't. It's probably just that it was spending a lot of time. Requesting the same information over and over and over again.
18:53:41 And.
18:53:44 And Lawrence says the reason it overheated is because you're watching those. South Korean equivalent of the Hallmark channel if you just quit doing that it'll be fine
18:53:55 Yeah.
18:53:56 Okay.
18:53:55 Yeah.
18:54:01 Speaking which this
18:54:01 Or something, something like that.
18:54:04 My spouse was in, is in the hospital right now and she. Was in the ER until like 3 in the morning.
18:54:15 And she was asking, he says, why aren't you in bed? And I said, I'm watching the.
18:54:20 Sweden, Spain game in. New Zealand and she said II don't care. You go to bed, but you know.
18:54:29 Yeah.
18:54:32 It was it was difficult for me to go to sleep and she was in the air. So.
18:54:40 Well, I hope he's doing better today.
18:54:40 Right. She's still in hospital, so.
18:54:52 Nothing I can do other than. Okay. Anyway, do we have computer questions? Not evolving wave which tends to sometimes lead to me using bad language.
18:55:06 I sent you a suggestion about fonts. Did you get that?
18:55:14 I don't think I've seen that. Okay.
18:55:16 Well, it was a suggestion for a meeting topic. Involving front management on the Mac and on the iPad on iPhone.
18:55:24 I don't, I don't see that. I'm looking at my email. I don't see.
18:55:30 Anything else?
18:55:33 Did you send that today?
18:55:35 No, yesterday or the day before.
18:55:39 Hello.
18:55:39 They might have been, I might have replied to your announcement about. The meeting.
18:55:45 Yeah, I don't.
18:55:48 Anyway, it doesn't really matter. Let's but I had that idea and wanted to send it because You know in the days when you could buy find when Adobe was a font foundry electronic when you could buy fonts and so forth.
18:56:02 Those were all type one postscript, I think. And then, you know, so I invested.
18:56:09 Some money and buying files from them, some of which I really like like they had a Adobe, I'm an expert.
18:56:19 Family which had all kind of cool stuff in it. But then, you know, now nobody uses Type One.
18:56:26 It won't work on the new Mac and so on as far as I could tell. And They can.
18:56:29 Oh yes, they can. Ii still use type one fonts on the machine in front of me.
18:56:37 What is. Complicated though is that Adobe says that they're future updates to.
18:56:49 Postscript will not support type one fonts. So when that. Takes place that will present some problems because The Mac, you don't see it, but a lot of the Mac interface that you see on the screen is actually drawn with postscript.
18:57:05 Apple has it. Licensed from Adobe. And if Adobe stops, stop supporting type one fonts, that will definitely.
18:57:15 Be, a problem, but no, the, there's a font that I like to use in a lot of announcements and such called which is a.
18:57:30 Serif font that looks a lot, sort of like Garamong, but the serifs have a slight.
18:57:35 Hint of being a brush dog just like the. Painter, hitherto shy, so it doesn't look as clunky as a lot of those things that are supposed to look Japanese.
18:57:44 He's just kind of a int. And it was developed for a book on and I really like it and I'm going to have to buy the.
18:57:55 The new, I can't remember the the format that Adobe is using right now.
18:58:01 Really nobody else at me that makes that font. So I'm just gonna have to buy it at some point.
18:58:07 But that problem hasn't existed yet. But in terms of how to get them to show up. It is kind of a pain.
18:58:15 For example, like when I use Adobe Illustrator, Adobe Illustrator can't see the fact that I have.
18:58:24 It can't see that I have it installed, but Microsoft Word can. And that just is.
18:58:33 Yeah, I lost a number of clients because I Yeah, I got him from like independent type foundry people.
18:58:43 And can't find him. I mean, I can't find you. I would, I'd buy whatever would work.
18:58:49 Without going through gymnastics to make it work, but I can't find any of them anymore.
18:58:56 Yeah.
18:58:59 It was annoying that I bought all that stuff from Adobe. And then you know they they change formats or whatever and I They don't, I bought them, but when they updated them, I would have to buy them again.
18:59:12 Yeah.
18:59:13 You know, instead of like. Paying some lesser fee for an update.
18:59:19 Yeah. Understand the fonts are getting kind of funky in terms of. Buying fonts anyway because so many people out there will just get free fonts or they'll get like you know 5,000 funds for 10 bucks.
18:59:39 You can go into the app store, Apple App Store and get just bundles of fonts.
18:59:43 And the problem with them is a lot of them are very poorly made, but you don't know that.
18:59:48 Until you're trying to do something and you really want the curtain to be just right and you find out that a overprint or do other stupid things.
18:59:56 This one, friend of mine, he, has this really, really bad font.
19:00:02 That he like and just badly made font that that makes blots and so on so forth and he uses it to write me fake ransom notes when he's trying to get my attention and I haven't been paying attention.
19:00:16 Send me fake brands and notes using this. Font that basically says, pay attention.
19:00:23 You know, one of the apples first fonts was, I can't remember what it was called, but that's what it was.
19:00:28 Remember that? It was a ransom note like.
19:00:29 Yes. I think that was San Francisco.
19:00:34 Okay.
19:00:34 Maybe. Anyway, and that in the note that I sent you, I included a link to an article.
19:00:40 Which I think was on Apple News. I can't remember Colt of Mac maybe. And it mentioned some program.
19:00:47 Like I font or I could I'll find it. Which is something that would help install fonts.
19:00:55 Like the Google finds, you know, that are in And, if you use Google Docs.
19:01:04 Oh, Apple has a really good font. Usually it's built in, but there are some other ones as well.
19:01:09 I don't know if it's about. IPhone but II think that's a good topic but I don't see the email.
19:01:18 Oh, find it and resend it to you.
19:01:18 So. Yeah, sorry about that. And it's 70'clock.
19:01:27 Hello, Madam President.
19:01:27 Did you make a sign in?
19:01:30 Hello there. Welcome everybody. Boy, we have a really small group today.
19:01:37 Yeah, I think everybody melted.
19:01:39 Oh, welcome everybody. I hope you're staying nice and cool. And.
19:01:50 There's nothing to report for the Treasury, nothing in nothing out. So it's state status quo.
19:01:57 I forgot to ask during the Q&A. Lawrence, can you tell me what is the advantage?
19:02:06 Or so when you're using. Photos on the phone. You can now click on a picture and hold a little bit and you can copy and it'll just take the people out.
19:02:20 Yes.
19:02:21 Can you tell me what the benefit is and when you say copy, where does a copy to?
19:02:27 It's not actually copying, it's doing a masking. And what it's doing is it takes whatever you whatever you're holding down, it takes that to be the subject and it masks out the rest.
19:02:39 And a mask is. It's from, the term comes from how used to develop film.
19:02:45 When you had black and white film and you've and you were filming it, you were developing a luck dark room.
19:02:47 Okay.
19:02:49 You develop things. There's there's a sheet of paper, you've shined it through this glass, and by adjusting the amount of light going through various parts of the.
19:03:00 Of the glass, you can either. Develop parts of the film are underdeveloped parts of the film and quite often to do this they would do this by using a little piece of cardboard or something then they.
19:03:13 Use it to redefine how much. Light as striking the paper. But if they're, if you wanted to.
19:03:20 If you wanted to highlight something and get rid of the rest of it, they would cut out a shape.
19:03:26 And they put that over the film either over the film to expose the cutout or they put it over the part that they wanted to.
19:03:35 Keep from being exposed and do the rest of it. That's how you see how they used to do.
19:03:43 Special effects in the pre-computer days is they would go frame by frame by frame and they mask out a part of the screen and they put it a rocket ship in there and then they move it very gently every frame and it used to be incredibly tedious and now you can do that on your iPhone.
19:04:03 So it's really, really cool, but it's called masking. And it's not really.
19:04:08 Copying that, you're selecting it and saying mass this, and then you have to paste it into something else in order to create a new picture.
19:04:16 And you may give an example of like where you would paste something like that.
19:04:20 Well, II did that a couple weeks as a couple months ago when I was talking about cheap photo editing.
19:04:28 And I was using previews to do that because you can do the same thing in preview. So you copy out the subject of one thing and then you paste it into something else and when it comes in it's transmit the background is transparent so you can have a picture you can have a statue of a dinosaur and then a picture of a three-year-old and put it on top of the dinosaur, now you have
19:04:51 a three-year-old riding a dinosaur. So it's, it's.
19:04:54 It's a practical thing to do, but it's also Sometimes if you just don't want is you see your mother right now look at the background around here.
19:05:06 It's perfectly white. That'd be great for something like a. Passport photo.
19:05:13 Well you can do that now even instead you ignore the rest of the house you can just take her photo get rid of the the wooden frame and for the door and so on so forth and just have that as a passport photo except that the passport company the state department doesn't like that because at that point you're altering.
19:05:33 They image and they won't accept altered film. But that's the sort of thing that you can do with a mask so that you just focus on one thing and not have a bunch of clutter and it's quite popular right now because you're there you have a picture of you and your boyfriend or you dump that boyfriend but you still like this picture of you in front of the Eiffel Tower.
19:05:53 So you can, you're in front of the Eiffel Tower and just make the boyfriend disappear.
19:05:55 Got it. Okay. Okay.
19:06:02 But it's called masking and it's supported on the iPhone. Ipad and Yeah, on the Mac as well.
19:06:12 With the current operating systems. If you, several people said that they couldn't follow the instructions I had for doing masking in the session on photos.
19:06:22 Because they were running mac OS 10.9 or something like that. No, it won't work in that.
19:06:29 It's a fairly recent thing.
19:06:30 1 one last question is did that computer find a home?
19:06:36 The person was giving away.
19:06:38 The answer to that is complicated. There is a person who wants it and the donor would like to give it to him except for the person who once it is making things.
19:06:51 Complicated. So
19:06:53 Oh. Okay, well if they change their mind to who they donate, I don't know if it was like.
19:07:01 Alphabetical or who came in first, but my dad's still interested in it.
19:07:12 Yeah.
19:07:14 Okay, that's all I had.
19:07:16 Okay, anything else before we start?
19:07:21 The original question for the discussion of. Maps. Was Steve's because he wanted to know if he could do some things.
19:07:33 And Apple Maps. That you can do in Google Maps. And I looked and you really can't do that because Apple Maps has a very different focus.
19:07:46 And and to to explain this. I will start by saying I know a lot about maps. I used to work for map making agency, National Ocean Service makes all the nautical charts for the United States.
19:07:58 And they used to make all the aeronautical mark charts for the United States, which they still do, but now the FAA gets credit for that.
19:08:10 And so I know a lot of geographers and cartographers and so on and so forth.
19:08:16 When Google Maps first came out, it was just hot stuff. It was not the first, Microsoft had something called terror view or something like that.
19:08:28 I this was late twentieth century stuff and you get these black and white images of the earth and later on they added color and so on and so forth.
19:08:38 And it was kind of patchy in terms of the coverage and it was basically a mosaic.
19:08:44 Of the earth using a bunch of these photographs. And, when
19:08:52 That existed and when Google Maps first came out. All the maps were bit mapped and by that it's it's like.
19:09:00 A picture under your phone, a whole bunch of pixels. And the good news bad news is the good news is they figured out a way to mathematically tile this stuff together so they didn't have to send you the entire map at once they sent you however many tiles you needed for whatever.
19:09:18 Scale that you wanted. So if you were looking at something big scale, they'd send you one large tile.
19:09:24 If you were looking at something smaller scale, they'd have to chop it up and give you parts of it.
19:09:28 And it worked quite well given the limitations of the time. When Apple Maps came along, Apple did something radically different.
19:09:37 Apple Maps is based upon polygons. And if you think about it in terms of geometry.
19:09:45 How many points do you need to draw a circle?
19:09:50 3.
19:09:51 2. You need the center. Define the center of the circle and then you just need one other point and that's the radius and you just spin it around the circle, spin it around the origin you end up with a circle.
19:10:06 So you only need 2 points and with polygons you basically can draw almost anything with 3 points. And depending upon how big the triangle is and if you want to add an extra.
19:10:17 The point then you can get a square but it takes very few It takes very little information and you can take almost anything and turn it into a whole bunch of polygons.
19:10:28 And that's what Apple Maps did. And that's what Apple Maps did. And the advantage is that's what Apple Maps did.
19:10:35 And the advantage is that by sending just the coordinates and having your phone build the map. Out of these very few things, you could send a lot of data.
19:10:42 Oh, and that looked like a map using much less. Of your phone data. So if you were using, if you were navigating using Apple Maps, the amount of data that you used on your phone was just trivial compared to Google Maps.
19:10:56 With Google Maps, you could burn through your entire data plan on a trip going downtown back in the days when you only got 50 megs of data a month.
19:11:09 Just going downtown, that could burn through everything you had. But with Apple Maps, it wouldn't.
19:11:09 Because as much much more efficient because you're sending much less data and then the the phone itself builds the map on the fly using these very few data points.
19:11:20 The bad news was that Apple Maps wasn't particularly accurate. There were lots of tales about people being sent the wrong way down the one way streets or.
19:11:31 Being told to turn down streets that had that didn't exist anymore or that down highways that hadn't been built and so on and so forth, all kinds of horror stories.
19:11:42 But Apple got much better and actually fairly quickly and they did that by purchasing companies that provided a whole bunch of data surveying companies that went out and surveyed things for states and federal agencies and and real estate agents and whatnot, whole bunch of people who have.
19:12:02 GEOGRAPHIC, data and Apple bought a whole bunch of those companies. And so today, Apple Maps is considered just as reliable as Google Maps.
19:12:13 But in terms of the emphasis upon the maps, It's quite different. Google Maps is based upon the web.
19:12:22 And anything you can do in Google Maps, you can, it shows up on your phone, but it'll also push you up in your browser and your computer on the computer if you're actually trying to get directions to go from here to Port Angels, probably not as useful because as soon as my computer gets to the to the limit of my Wi-Fi.
19:12:40 If the map stops working. Where is on your phone? It's it's much more useful.
19:12:45 So what you can do with Google Maps seems Limited if you only consider it the fact that it's using web technology, but because it's using the web technology, you can do things that you can't do with Apple Maps.
19:12:59 Apple Maps is designed to be used by the user. The person sitting there looking at their Mac screen, the person sitting there looking at their phone or their iPad, they're using the Apple Maps and it's designed to be interactively used by that person.
19:13:12 With Google Maps though, you can share them and you can share them easily. You can make a map of something and you can just send the URL to somebody and when they get that URL it goes and reproduces that map on their screen, whether it's a computer or phone or an iPad, doesn't make any difference.
19:13:31 So the purpose that they have is quite different. And because of the technology that's designed. The Apple Maps also can do some things that Google really has trouble doing.
19:13:42 If you've looked at if you've ever used Apple Maps and, in, in Seattle, it'll actually have threed portrayals of a lot of the buildings and so on.
19:13:51 So, And in San Francisco, it'll even tell you which subway in San Francisco and DC, it'll tell you which subway exit to.
19:14:03 Leave the area. And Google really doesn't do that. You you kind of come to the top of the escalator in Google and it says beats the heck out of me.
19:14:14 It doesn't really know what direction you're facing or anything like that. You have to walk a block or so.
19:14:19 Before it reorient itself. And so they have a different purpose. But having said that, there are a lot of things that you that are worth demonstrating with both of them.
19:14:30 And I'm going to start off with Google Maps because I've been using Google Maps.
19:14:35 Since it since before it existed since I worked for a match back being agency one of the first things they did is they contacted national oceanic and atmospheric administration and the national geograph See you, that's that's that.
19:14:57 National geodetic survey belongs to NOAA. The The The map may be part part part of the department, which I can't remember right this second.
19:15:11 They contacted us, we got to use it for 6 8 months before they actually made it. into production.
19:15:18 So I got to play with it. From a fairly early age. And I'm going to share my screen.
19:15:25 So that I can show you some things.
19:15:29 And the first thing I'm gonna do is move this menu bar that you can't even see.
19:15:34 So it's not my way. Okay.
19:15:44 Google Maps just by taking in Google Maps and it comes up with a map and you can say I went to go to.
19:15:57 Let's go in post office. And it shows you where it is on the map. And then you can say you went directions and it says where are you starting from I'm starting from Bremerton.
19:16:10 Washington and I say go and it. Draws me directions and I can say. Send directions to your phone and give you your dip things.
19:16:24 If you press this details, it gives you the actual parts that you need to do. So you Go down these little, sections and eventually you end up there and it says take 1 h and 8 min right to second.
19:16:36 To get to Bremerton. In spite of the fact that they're doing this. See this nice little red and orange part here.
19:16:51 The good news, bad news about Google is that it's pretty good at doing that at doing its thing.
19:16:58 It's a little bit bad when it comes to things like if you wanted to go from Kingston over to Seattle sometimes it's really bad about things like fairy schedules and such.
19:17:08 It tries really hard. The iPhone and I don't have my iPhone set up to do that.
19:17:15 One of the things you can do is you can actually ask it to download the map. To your phone so it doesn't have to constantly go out and ask for new data when you are doing something.
19:17:29 And the best way to do that, say you want to Do, a whole weekend around the Olympic Peninsula and you're not sure of your your cell signal you frame the entire Olympic Peninsula on your phone and then you go to the option and I don't know offhand where it is, but it's one of the options just you can pick and it'll download that entire map and it'll keep
19:17:54 it for something like 3 weeks or 6 weeks or something like that. That's really useful if you lose yourself signal because That way it's not constantly going out and having to.
19:18:06 You basically stop moving until they can grab the next piece of of Nap as you're moving around the, peninsula.
19:18:15 Apple does this quite a bit different because it's vector based and so Apple Just assumes that where you're moving is.
19:18:24 In an area and it goes out and automatically grabs the data from front and behind and through the side of where you are and because the data is much much more compact because it's because it's vectors.
19:18:37 It doesn't even bother to ask you that. It just does that automatically. So you can wander around for quite a while.
19:18:44 Without any cell signal and Apple Maps is perfectly happy with that. The Apple Maps is using the GPS chip inside of your phone.
19:18:53 Your phone, depending upon the age, also has a barometer inside so it can even knows your altitude as you're moving around.
19:19:04 And with that it's perfectly happy to. Say, okay, you gone. 1,800 feet and you should turn to the left now.
19:19:12 One thing that, Apple Maps does that is really, really handy. If you have an Apple Watch, your Apple Watch will actually vibrate.
19:19:22 When it comes to telling you whether it's a left turn or a right turn. And I don't really care there are 2 different types of signals.
19:19:32 I don't bother. I just wait for it to vibrate, and that tells me to pay attention to get ready for the turn.
19:19:39 And the reason is that I already know what direction they need to turn. I just may not know when that road is coming up.
19:19:44 And but if you're going to turn to the I have a note over here. When it wants you to turn.
19:19:55 To the
19:20:02 To turn to the right, there's a low tone followed by a high tone, so it goes talk-tick.
19:20:08 And that means turns on the right and when you're going to turn to the left it does the opposite.
19:20:13 I never remember which is which so I just wait until I get this double, double tap on my wrist and it tells me, oh yeah, I should pay attention to the turn coming up.
19:20:23 And that's really handy because in my car, I can't really see my phone.
19:20:28 It's it's lying down on the console in front of the base so I can't see the phone so I'm not staring at the phone all the time.
19:20:36 And having it remind me that I'm going to make turn is really quite useful. And you can always so either set it up to have you speak the directions or not speak the directions.
19:20:46 My car does have carplay, but sometimes, Toyota and its instant, it's infinite wisdom, decides that it can't use Carplay.
19:20:57 So if I can't use Carplay, and I want to know what I'm doing, I just listen to the phone or wait for the taps on my wrist.
19:21:04 And both Apple. Apple Maps and, Google Maps work perfectly well for giving directions.
19:21:13 One difference that is quite funny is that I have the voice on my phone set to an Australian woman's accent.
19:21:25 Which normally is not. Really relevant to anything, but in coming into swim, she says very very precisely.
19:21:36 You are now entering Sequium. And it just cracks me up every time. But, Apple Maps actually pronounced the swim correctly.
19:21:46 I don't know why. I didn't and if they sweat it said it to an American accent and maybe Google would too.
19:21:53 I just I don't know but I like the Australian accent. So this is this is Apple Maps.
19:22:04 And Apple Maps works pretty much the same on. I don't know. I went this to go away.
19:22:12 There's a box that just peered on me. Apple Maps works pretty much the same way on Mac and PC and so forth.
19:22:19 You can also make custom maps only to get to custom maps. You say, my maps, google.
19:22:25 And in this case I already have some of maps that I created. So I'll show you what.
19:22:31 The examples are. I live in Sunland North and Sunlandmore has a beach cottage that's right here at this intersection.
19:22:39 And in order to tell people about it, I made this app, and this map and Apple Maps and and distribute it to.
19:22:46 It's a fairly simple map because that's the only thing it shows. I don't know how they're going to get there, but if they if they have this on their phone, they can go up here and then ask for directions and it'll create directions from wherever they are to the.
19:23:00 To the beach cottage. Very, very simple one. And you can also make things that a little bit more complex or just strange.
19:23:10 I made this map that shows you the NSA. I'm headquarters in Seattle. In this particular NSA, Seattle is not the national security agency.
19:23:21 It's just some company it calls SNSA. But I this acquaintance who was very paranoid and he found this place that was called NSA.
19:23:30 Seattle so I went looking for it and I did find it but what they do is there's something like national services or association or something they're not spying on anybody here is a map that I made in 2,015 of a trip that I made with various relatives to various places.
19:23:48 And And, and, Oregon and Washington. And even list where we happen to go.
19:23:58 During this. During this trip and I did this because a lot of the My daughter who came in from England and Kathleen came in from Colorado.
19:24:11 She was doing something in Colorado. Somebody else came in from, Colorado and. We just had this collective map so we could I could show them the places we had.
19:24:21 Gone and visited when I was in Helsinki for a world science fiction convention. These are various places that I visited in Helsinki.
19:24:32 And so I just did this just to keep my own memory. Where we went. Because I don't speak.
19:24:41 Finish and sometimes I would miss it. I visited a couple places but I wasn't actually sure what it was caused.
19:24:47 So I May the map so I could find out what that thing is supposed to be called. This is crowdsourced map, World War 2 battles.
19:24:59 It's really quite terrible because most battles aren't covered on it. But if you zoom in to here, this is not a battle, it's just, and that was one of the major ports that they used for the invasion.
19:25:13 And the Juno and Omaha. Beaches and so on so forth and certain battles the Battle of Bellstone but Most of the battles that took place in World War II are not.
19:25:26 There at all. And so it's a terrible map, but this is the kind of thing that is crowdsourced.
19:25:33 A group of of amateur historians actually created this. And I was intrigued with what they did.
19:25:40 Even if I wasn't particularly impressed with the. With the result. A much, much, much more ambitious one.
19:25:48 Is this map? Showing shipwrecks of World War 2. Shipwrecks. These are ships that were torpedoed or mine or or were lost in battle.
19:25:59 And it gets pretty dense depending upon where. The battle was like This area around, the Guadalcanal is called.
19:26:10 Iron Bottom Sound because so many ships were during World War 2 and you can click on one in it'll pop up and it just tells you what that particular.is, that's why Japanese battleship there.
19:26:24 And if we were really lucky and believed in Pink Tinker Bell, there's a photograph of the ship that same there and you click on another one that's a US destroyer and This is going to be another US destroyer.
19:26:38 Sometimes you can tell just by way they're located is to who they probably are. It has lots of things in it that are strange though, for example.
19:26:46 If I come in here and say. USS Nimitz. Well, the Nimitz is a current day.
19:26:55 Aircraft carrier. It's not in World War 2 and it's not a shipwreck and it shows the Nimitz as being.
19:27:03 And. Bremerton and these are 2 Mothballed aircraft carriers that are in Bremerton and whoever was making the map apparently didn't quite understand that this was about shipwrecks from World War 2, which was one of the problems you have with cloud source.
19:27:24 Memory is crowdsource projects is that you You can't necessarily be. Trusting them because of the quality controls.
19:27:36 And the other one that it has is it has the RMS Titanic. And the, RMS Titanic, yes, it really was sunk at that particular spot.
19:27:43 Which is in the middle of nowhere, but that was before World War One, it had nothing to do with World War 2.
19:27:51 Right. There were people who millions of people who were fought during World War 2 weren't even born at the time that this ship with some.
19:28:01 So, This is an example of a much more complex. Map and
19:28:11 I had somebody wanted to know. how far is where I'm moving from DC because I lived in the DC area.
19:28:24 One of the things that you don't normally notice here is there's a scale. In this My Maps.
19:28:29 You can draw a line from DC to Squim and it says it's 2,000. 342 miles.
19:28:38 Based upon where I stuck this. But it's you can click on another thing and you can you can actually take the map scale and to go from Edmonton to.
19:28:48 Albuquerque to Dallas to Ontario. Ottawa and it's measuring the entire distance.
19:28:56 And it's using, notice that the lines are, I don't know if you can actually see the lines, but the lines are slightly curved because it's using.
19:29:05 The curvature of the earth. It really is current when you put on a flat map it looks like the these straight lines are actually curved.
19:29:14 But it's got a bunch of tools here. This is a good example of. Some of the tools that you have.
19:29:21 You can move that or you can move the RAM map around by clicking on the hand. You can drop a point.
19:29:26 Some place like Winnipeg. You drop a point there and you can, once you have that point, you can say that's.
19:29:35 Yeah. It helps if you spell it correctly. You can go into different kinds of layers of the map.
19:29:45 And.
19:29:51 This thing here is a base map here. This is a what's called a political map here. But you can go with a photographic math.
19:29:58 And then you can zoom in and see the ocean. When you see things like this where you see these strange little features here.
19:30:06 These we see a bunch of straight lines or you see grid lines on this that has to do with how the maps the the bottom of the ocean in his map.
19:30:15 It's done by using the map grid drawn by a ship. So the ships. Firing a sonar beam down.
19:30:23 Below and it's and it does this in a grid or in these lines and so then later on people say oh look I found cloud farm fields underneath.
19:30:36 And so then later on people say, oh look I found cloud farm fields underneath the underneath the Pacific is that is that the, is that, is that the, is that, is that, is that Atlanta, is? Underneath the, Pacific.
19:30:41 Is, is that, They use the data that we can come up with and the data that we come up in this case is just.
19:30:46 Sonar waves and the sunar waves are not. They don't have We have a mapped that much of the ocean.
19:30:54 So it it comes across as you see these looks like. Cloud fields. But one of the base maps is this.
19:31:04 A photo image and the not the ocean but the land is actually satellite photos. So this This is a mosaic of satellite photos if you're looking at Mount Rainier.
19:31:14 And that's one of the base maps. And then if you want to do something like a medieval type map you can do something like this which doesn't look terribly medieval here but you go over the east coast.
19:31:27 Looks more medieval like but you can check out the different base maps and once you've made a map and you've added the the pointers that you want to add there.
19:31:38 You can send it to somebody else you can also change the style of the. The elements.
19:31:53 Which I don't see how I can do that right this second. You can change the, the images that it uses for these points.
19:32:02 But it's been a while since I've done that. I don't see that. You can also have a different layers so you can have a different layers so you can have a you can have an overlay showing states that voted for Trump and then you can have an overlay showing states that voted for Trump and then you can go to a different layer and it shows states that voted for Trump and then you can go to a different layer and it shows states this vote for
19:32:17 Biden. Different layer in states that voted for Abraham Lincoln. And all in one map and send all this kind of, kind of, and the.
19:32:25 All this information off too other people. And it's saves it by this address. So once you make a base map, you share it with some people, all you send them is that string and then they have that copy of that.
19:32:39 So this is my maps and. I've made quite a few of these. This one here, for example.
19:32:48 Somebody wanted to know, actually it was a government agency that was giving me a clear and say, I don't know all the places I visited or lived in.
19:32:57 And so I sent them this map and you'll see it's heavily biased towards the to the Pacific.
19:33:04 The Atlantic coast. And to the mostly the northern hemisphere just one thing in the southern hemisphere.
19:33:13 So that's just a quick list of places that I'd be there. Lived in for more than a week.
19:33:18 Different kinds of things you can do this and this is to get there you just go to my maps Google.
19:33:31 Calm. Now if you don't have a Google account, one of the first things you're going to have to do is set up a that's something that you can do with that.
19:33:40 That is, my maps. However, that's not all. There's also
19:33:46 Google Earth. And Google Earth. Which also works in a browser. There's also, a, and downloadable app.
19:33:58 But the downloadable app is kind of buggy on the map, Mac, cause they haven't updated it that often.
19:34:05 But with the downloadable map, you can do things like. Say swim.
19:34:12 Washington, press enter and it flies you there.
19:34:40 Well, New Zealand now.
19:34:44 So.
19:34:47 Google Earth is really, useful for things like I used to I used to use this in teaching. Not quite a bit.
19:34:56 It's sometimes astonishing how little people know about their own planet. Like. Looking at Antarctica and Artica looks really Impressive here, but what people don't realize is that anarctica is mostly just an island chain.
19:35:12 Most of the stuff that you see that looks like land isn't it's just ice. Floating on top of the ocean and on top of the islands.
19:35:18 And if the ice can't melt, not only will it flood. Where we're living and it'll also reveal that this is just an island chain.
19:35:27 So you can teach people all kinds of useful things. About the world by playing with this. There is also with some effort you can also go to There is a Google Mars that allows you to play around with Mars and a Google Moon that allows you to play around with the moon.
19:35:47 Which is also quite cool. So there is the Google, maps that you use on your phone.
19:35:54 There is the My Maps where you can make your own custom maps. And then there's Google Earth, which is.
19:36:01 I will tell you that if you have a slow internet. Line, you'll hate this because this is extremely data intensive.
19:36:10 In terms of what it can do, but some of the things you can do with it are quite extensive.
19:36:14 You can have settings. So for example, the the, the map distance, it can be degrees minutes or seconds, or we can do it with decimals, which is how modern maps are done.
19:36:27 So you have your 98.3 8 degrees east and. And instead of 98 min. 98 degrees.
19:36:40 6 min, 12 s. Which nobody understands how that works so you can do all kinds of different things, change the animation speed and all kinds of stuff.
19:36:50 So, that is,
19:36:55 Reset to default. Go away.
19:36:59 And I'm trying to make. Yeah.
19:37:06 And it is locked up slightly because it's very dangerous.
19:37:15 Apple Maps. Is quite a bit different. So.
19:37:21 Here is the squim post office. And downtown Squam and so on and so forth. But again, you can also get things like different.
19:37:32 Layers this one right here is a standard. Layer but you can also have a satellite view to to show things.
19:37:43 It's not that if you look up at the top there's this show you different kinds of settings that you can have for driving, for transit.
19:37:52 You don't have much in the way of transit. Or the satellite view. The Satellite Zoo, by the way, I don't recommend if you're driving because it's extremely data intensive and you'll burn up your.
19:38:03 Your data plan a lot faster. The, driving view is, is particularly useful if you're going to something like Seattle.
19:38:12 The 3D view you notice that you probably can't actually tell that but the 3D view here is shaded because it's I'm not going to work in Squam because we don't have anything like that.
19:38:23 So. Let's go to. Seattle.
19:38:32 And. I don't want directions. I want to actually go to Seattle.
19:38:42 And you'll see that Seattle has 3D. Which doesn't seem to do much until you go downtown.
19:38:49 And there are some things downtown that'll shop in 3D. And the nice thing is that because this is vector based.
19:38:58 It's just sending shapes. And so it's looking at this. Tall building here, which I don't happen to know what it is.
19:39:05 And it's, that's PCC community markets or something. Maybe that's the thing at the top of it.
19:39:12 But. It's just sending the geometric design for it and then apple maps is filling in the rest so it's not actually sending that shape it's just sending the the outline of the shape and it's filling it in.
19:39:24 And you can wander around Seattle and I don't know that it has the ferris wheel.
19:39:32 Don't think so.
19:39:35 Yes.
19:39:34 Lawrence. Is there a way that you can tell it? You do wanna see cafes and restaurants or you don't wanna see it so that it's not.
19:39:45 Quite as busy. We only want to see the names of the streets like. So that it's more pronounced.
19:39:52 The well one thing is if you get rid of the 3D effect that definitely gets rid a lot of the
19:40:02 Information. In terms of not showing a lot of that stuff the reason why a lot of that is there is that it's useful in terms of navigation.
19:40:12 I'll give you an example from Japan. The streets in Japan are not named are numbered. And I actually, there is a switch to show you.
19:40:27 I mean, sometimes I want to know about Starbucks and about whatever. There is but and other times I don't really care to know that.
19:40:40 Oh my. I wouldn't know.
19:40:42 This is. Yes, this is where we used to live. We lived in, this section of, Kirihama.
19:40:53 None of the streets are. Named. None of them. There's a highway over here that's a highway, 1 34, but none of the streets are named.
19:41:05 We lived in 4 29 8. Which is this district right up here. And this house was. Number 8 The houses are numbered in the order in which they are built.
19:41:21 So this 4 29 8 was our home and it was the. 8 one built on this block. And at the time that we lived there.
19:41:34 At the time that we live there, This whole corner was ours. It was a double lot, but it was only a single building.
19:41:41 And since then, they tore down that house and they built 2 houses there. And if you come out here and we look at the map.
19:41:49 You can see that it's, It's kind of intense as, as you mentioned.
19:41:55 So if If nothing is. If the streets don't have names, how do people find?
19:42:04 Places. Well, each of these blocks is numbered. And this is the for show me it means the fourth district.
19:42:12 Of the neighborhood of Highland. And it says high land here, but the Japanese actually pronounced it.
19:42:21 So we lived in 4 29 8. Almost all Japanese are really, really, really good at drawing excellent maps.
19:42:31 So you want to know how to get someplace somebody whips out a napkin or something and draws you a map.
19:42:37 You don't need street names. According to them, you just have to know that it's in this district of Highland, the fourth ward.
19:42:48 It's a 20 ninth block and it's the eighth house. Now the eighth house can be between the 16 house and the 30 s house.
19:42:55 It doesn't because they're not sequential. You have to kind of wander around the block at least once in order to find it.
19:43:01 And a hundred 30 million people live in Japan and this works fine for them. So why? How do you know?
19:43:06 How do you know a district you're in?
19:43:12 You know like
19:43:10 It says right here, Oh, how do you know that on these on this major thoroughfare here, there are small little circular signs that say 3 or 4 and if you're if you can look at it and says 3 that means behind that sign is the third ward and you look at the other ones behind that sign is the is the fourth board.
19:43:32 Those the blocks are not numbered you just kind of have to wing it. But the houses themselves have the small plastic.
19:43:43 Plaque on it that'll have in my case it said or dash 29 dash 8.
19:43:48 So you knew you were in the fourth ward, the 20 ninth block and it was the eighth house. But the signs are fairly small.
19:43:55 They're about 8 inches across. So you do have to know what you're doing. Getting back to my question to your question, though, about what if you don't want the restaurants?
19:44:07 Well, really the restaurants and such are really useful in terms of being able to. Figure out where you are because they're their landmarks.
19:44:18 So in this that's the name of a gourmet food. Shop there and if you happen to pass by this Food shop it tells you where you are.
19:44:29 It's it's it's a a necessary piece of navigation. Kathleen would regularly get lost in Japan because she would pick She would pick landmarks that were movable.
19:44:43 Like for example, one day she ended up in this place called Oraga. And I will.
19:44:50 Where are we? We're in where in Balam County again. Let's go back to.
19:45:00 Move it over here. This is Oraga right here. She ended up in Niagara because she missed the turn off.
19:45:07 You see, when the train came in, she didn't get off the train. She fell asleep and and it and it stopped in Oraga.
19:45:13 So she got off. And I said, describe where you are. And she said, well, I see this big sailing ship.
19:45:19 And I said, oh, you're in Aragog. We'll pick you up.
19:45:22 And I was there a few minutes ago later and she was really torqued off with me. How can I do tell by a big sailing shop?
19:45:27 Well, the Sailing ship by Dentistorians called the Nipon Maru and it's their equivalent of the Coast Guard's Cutter Eagle, which is a huge sailing ship that they teach people.
19:45:37 How to be Coastguard officers and the Japanese were building a brand new sailing chip for their naval officers and Coastguard officers and they were building here in Oraga so when she said that she saw it I knew where it was.
19:45:51 Why she got lost coming home Monday though is that she went past this she knew to turn at this place that had this green awning.
19:45:59 Well, she went by later in the day and they had rolled up the awning. So the Anne wasn't visible, she missed it.
19:46:07 So she, I told her, you know, get some things that are more permanent. Well, then she got lost about a couple months later.
19:46:14 They were middle of political campaign and she was turning at this trailer that they that's one political party was using.
19:46:20 Well, after the election they moved the trailer. And she got lost again. So. You learn a lot about navigation just by learning how to use landmarks and signs are essential landmarks.
19:46:33 So if you go into Seattle, you might think that that's distracting in terms of the map, but those.
19:46:38 Landmarks are really, really useful. In terms of. Finding out where you are. If you're going down the.
19:46:48 Streets and it there's a.
19:46:54 And the Apple Maps is showing where you're located and it shows that there's a Starbucks or something.
19:47:02 Only bar, which is a restaurant here. Oh, we're just passing, onibaba.
19:47:10 We're moving this way, so I must be here. So that you might see as a distraction, but it's actually an essential landmark.
19:47:14 Can you show me how you go from this view map to Street View?
19:47:21 You do that. No, you have to remember I'm doing this on a map, on a Mac.
19:47:31 Yeah.
19:47:26 There's this thing up this thing that looks like an accordion of a folded map. If I click on that it says there's the the basic, view that I have here.
19:47:39 There's a driving view, which will tell you among other things about Streets that are blocked off and traffic jams and so on and so forth.
19:47:46 There's a transit view, which is useful for things like the the what is this?
19:47:55 The link rail and buses and so on and so forth. It highlights those. And then there's a sad light view.
19:47:59 I do not recommend the satellite view. Or an urban area because it's just. Way too busy, but you pick off.
19:48:08 These different views from this. Accordion symbol. So this one here is shows you where you are.
19:48:18 This one allows you to pick. Different types of maps. This 3D one again only works in places like Seattle.
19:48:25 I actually show you San Francisco. Because San Francisco is really quite cool.
19:48:50 And you go to the 3D view and you can see all kinds of of cool things. Such as, this area.
19:48:46 Okay. Fisher Okay. Okay.
19:48:59 Here's got this cool building and. I'm trying to remember where Koit Tower is.
19:49:07 I think it's over here someplace. I can guess I can ask it.
19:49:09 Yeah.
19:49:20 Okay, Okay, is kind of odd. It's this odd shaped tower in San Francisco. And people want to know.
19:49:33 Why did they build this on-shaped tower? It's a monument to the firefighters who fought the San Francisco fire.
19:49:41 That is the end of a fire hose.
19:49:45 And it's this really big tower in the middle of San Francisco. And you can come up here and.
19:49:52 You know just It shows you pictures of it and the quite tower with downtown in the background and so on and so forth.
19:50:02 As you might expect because Apple's not that far away. San Francisco has a really good detailed.
19:50:09 3d map. And, Trans America building. All kinds of neat stuff.
19:50:20 So it
19:50:20 But you can't take that little person and like just put it on the street and say look around or street view or I don't remember.
19:50:27 Yeah, if, if you, zoom in. Like, down here. There is actually a look around function.
19:50:38 Oh, you just have to be zoomed in for enough.
19:50:38 Hmm. Yes, because the the reason well it depends upon what kind of view you want for example if I say if I'm zoomed in and I'm at the street view, you can actually.
19:50:52 You see, it gives you a kind of a 3D effect for the. For the buildings as well.
19:50:59 And you kind of have to be zoomed in because if you're out too far. Doesn't really mean that much but you can Scroll along here.
19:51:06 Now in this case, because this is actual photographs, you're getting to 3 dimensional view of a photograph.
19:51:12 This is much more data intensive if you wanted to spend. Less money on bandwidth, you use this.
19:51:20 And you turn off the 3D effect. And then it uses much, much, much less.
19:51:26 Data because it has to send less data back and forth. I used to live in the San Francisco area, so.
19:51:34 I'm just really impressed with what they did with San Francisco. San Francisco is good. Seattle's good.
19:51:42 San Diego is good. DC is good. Omaha, Nebraska, not so great.
19:51:48 You're not going to. Apple just doesn't have a data set that covers that many places.
19:51:54 It'll probably be another 30, 40 years before they have a 3D map of Squin. So, but again, the the purpose of Apple Maps is quite different than Google Maps because it's not web based.
19:52:11 You can share a map with someone. You press this little share button here and you can you can mail it to someone or you can send it to a message or airdrop it or so on and so forth.
19:52:24 But it's really not the same as just. Take any URL and then just email it to like 50 people.
19:52:31 No, it doesn't. Doesn't do that. For one thing, maps can also be quite personal.
19:52:36 This thing, among other things, tells you that I recently looked for the doctors clinic in, in, Silverdale.
19:52:44 And I recently looked for my old house and in. And, your And, I wanted to know where Great View Washington was recently because.
19:52:56 Plane crash there and Where is Paradise Restaurant? Didn't know which paradise restaurant people were talking about.
19:53:05 So I looked that up. And the Point Townsend Arrow Museum where I spent a happy afternoon couple weeks ago.
19:53:14 This is all extremely personal information, but it only exists on my phone. Or on my computer.
19:53:20 It doesn't share this with the entire world. Google shares with the entire world. Now, I'm not particularly paranoid about that, but a number of a number of criminals have been caught.
19:53:34 By people going through their Google Maps history and they say, you were looking here, you looked, we found a dead body here and you went in there.
19:53:46 And we have it because it's Apple because Google Maps says you went there. So it has a very different purpose.
19:53:52 The. Kathleen and I had a Christmas once at the Kitty Hawk.
19:54:00 You' a Methodist church. And Katie Hawk. South Carolina.
19:54:09 And if we were to drive there right now, would take only take one day and 21 h driving straight.
19:54:16 We like to go to the outer banks. And in the winter time because nobody else was there.
19:54:23 And the trouble is that everything shut down. So you're probably there's good chance you'll start to death, but you have this entire huge see short to yourself.
19:54:34 It's quite a thrill sitting in front of ocean foot. Nice. Fireplace with a fire going looking out this big picture window with snow flying at you across the Atlantic.
19:54:47 I highly recommend it.
19:54:50 But Apple Maps has a very different purpose than Google Maps. And the security on Apple Maps is outstanding.
19:54:57 Everything that I do. On Apple Maps. Goes through the Apple security chip. So if I want to share something, it has to be somebody that's in my contacts that I already trust.
19:55:10 I can't share it with just anybody. It makes it difficult to. To share it with just anyone.
19:55:15 And that's by design. Because. Your travel is quite personal and quite confidential.
19:55:23 But in terms of the question that Steve had for me a couple weeks ago was, is there a way to build these custom maps in Apple Maps like you can in Google Maps.
19:55:34 And the answer is now. It's not really designed for that. You can. Have you can plan a trip and you can ask for a new map and add waypoints and so on and so forth and save that.
19:55:44 But it's not the, you really can't have the same kind of. Custom maps that you can make with Google Maps.
19:55:54 Any questions about any of that?
19:56:01 No questions?
19:56:05 Does anyone want to venture a guest as to how much Apple Maps is used every day?
19:56:17 Sesameage used 4 to 6 billion. Times a day. Because pretty much everybody. Where's that?
19:56:27 IPhone or iPad? How's that? How? At least once a day brought up maps to take them someplace.
19:56:35 And you can also. Link maps into things like notes and reminders and a lot of other things on the Mac.
19:56:43 So that. If you have a reminder that pops up and says that you need to pick up your prescription at Walgreens it'll actually offer to give you directions and you tap on that and it'll give you directions from.
19:56:57 Wherever you are to Walgreens, go pick up your. Prescription so it's linked in to reminders and notes and a bunch of other things.
19:57:08 It's really quite well done that it has a very different purpose than Google Maps. And Google Maps has a different purpose than Google's My Maps.
19:57:18 And. Earth, Google Earth has a very, very different purpose. Google Earth is
19:57:30 Much closer to the professional GIS. Packages that I used at work. You can actually export. A map.
19:57:39 As a bunch of instructions. Like for example, That one where I showed you.
19:57:48 The sunken warships. Let's see if I have that.
19:57:54 This is what They data file for that looks like. If if you happen to know what XML is.
19:58:03 This is. Come on.
19:58:14 This is an XML file. That has, what the data is and then it tells you.
19:58:21 Where it is located and the scale and where and all kinds of stuff. And then that's how you share the information.
19:58:31 You take these files that are standardized. And you mail it off to somebody and it allows them to build something in.
19:58:38 And Google Earth or and. In my maps. Just a bunch of standardized stuff.
19:58:47 Google invented this, data interchange for maps and it was not in the least better standardized thing.
19:58:57 But Google made it open, so pretty much all professional packages now. Take advantage of that.
19:59:05 Apple Maps does not because again, Apple Maps is designed for a very different kind of purpose.
19:59:14 Any questions?
19:59:18 I know I didn't answer Steve's question, but I hope. Bye. Told you something about maps that you didn't know before.
19:59:29 And anyone on went to volunteer to do the. Topic for this September meeting.
19:59:40 Somebody can teach me something for a change.
19:59:46 I'm interested to know.
19:59:51 Yes?
19:59:54 Go ahead, Ron.
19:59:46 You don't think Oh no, I was just making a Joke, quote unquote.
20:00:02 Oh, where did you say that was? About that. By Kitty Hawk there the rest of the hotel.
20:00:11 Oh.
20:00:11 Oh, Kenny Hawk is where, the Wright brothers. I took off and The, the Methodist church there, Kathleen and I wanted to go to a Methodist church.
20:00:25 And that one was open on. On Christmas, which is not a surprise. But what we were surprised at We saw more people in that church than we'd seen the entire rest of the week.
20:00:37 On the outer banks because The church was pretty much full and it was just a That was a very nice experience.
20:00:44 They were nice and and welcoming and offered us cake and all kinds of stuff. It was just a nice memory.
20:00:52 I thought maybe there was a specific hotel.
20:00:52 And I'm Oh no, we, we were at a, we rented a, They have a whole bunch of.
20:01:03 I don't know what you call resorts, they call them resorts, but you can just rent a Hello, a large suite.
20:01:12 During the wintertime. Like in the summertime it might be like a thousand dollars a day and then wintertime it could be like 89 bucks.
20:01:20 A day so we went in the winter time. And also this a bridge. You can't see it here, but if we go up here.
20:01:30 Actually, I went too far. I guess it is that bridge. This bridge in the summertime, it can take 12 h to go across this bridge.
20:01:39 It's not very long bridge. But it can take 12 h because this is a 2 lane road.
20:01:45 And just tens of thousands of people went to go on it. But in the wintertime, the most of the places shut down and all the restaurants are shut down.
20:01:55 There's one supermarket. Kathleen and I ran out of milk and we, our round trip was 140 miles to buy milk that day because there's only one supermarket that's owning.
20:02:12 Oh, what, what you don't quite realize is how long this
20:02:13 You know, from down here. To up here that's that's quite a ways. And Cape Hatches is where the Call us Lighthouse in United States is located right there.
20:02:27 And the USS monitor is sunk right about here. The world, the Civil War monitor. It sank while it was being towed right about there.
20:02:39 No, it's an interesting place.
20:02:43 And in the winter time, there's nobody else there, so it's lovely.
20:02:51 Any other questions?
20:02:52 Is there in? Good. Reason why that island chain looks like that. I mean, is it something that's geographical that Okay.
20:03:04 Yes. Yes. The. Gulf strain, which is Starts in the Gulf of Mexico, all this hot water.
20:03:14 The hot water goes out here. And then it starts heading north. And here is where it comes up against a stream that comes up cold water that comes across the Atlantic.
20:03:27 And it pushes it in. Closer to the shore and it kind of the convergence plate is right here.
20:03:36 So in the wintertime this is very very foggy. There are lots of wrecks because this this wind is coming in.
20:03:44 Basically from Europe and Africa. This way the warm waters coming up here and it creates storms and fog and so on so forth and they call this the graveyard of the Atlantic because in the back before they had.
20:04:00 Motorized. Ships they would just get slammed into the coastline along here. And.
20:04:07 But the Gulf Stream then goes this way all the way up to. Canada and then across over to.
20:04:16 Let's. Broaden this out to Ireland and then comes down this way. If you were to move the British Isles.
20:04:27 To North America. All of the British Isles would fit within Canada. It's quite far north.
20:04:40 Hmm.
20:04:34 But the temperature there in the wintertime is more moderate than it is where we are. And that's because on the West Side, there is a cold current that comes down instead of a warm current coming back up.
20:04:48 And also the water is much deeper. You'll notice that off the Atlantic coast. See how shallow it is way way out there and off the off the Pacific coast it just plummets almost immediately.
20:05:00 So it's much colder water. It's coming from the north rather than coming from the south.
20:05:07 I had people from the, East Coast they come out to to Malibu for some conference or something, they'd always want to surf at Malibu.
20:05:19 And so they go out there in their swim trunks and they rent a surfboard and they touch the water and they need to come back in because they are just astounded.
20:05:26 How cold it is. If you look at the people who actually surf off Malibu, even in the summertime, they have wet suits.
20:05:32 Because otherwise they'd freeze to that. But, it's just a very different kind of experience.
20:05:39 But that's why there's that, that bank here is because of that. The cold water coming in and piling up these barrier islands.
20:05:47 Hmm.
20:05:47 And the warm water coming in from the from the south and it that's what creates these barrier islands.
20:05:55 Very little islands are. Really really important to prevent floods and tsunamis and so on so forth.
20:06:03 That's one reason why You see this part out here, this little part out here off of Louisiana, that used to be land within living memory.
20:06:13 People were alive today used to farm this area but it's sinking because of the oil that they're pumping out of the oil and gas, the pumping out of the golf is causing the land to sink because as they po, pump the oil out, the land subsides because there's nothing under it anymore.
20:06:33 And then by the development of the coast here, it's washing away the barrier islands that then wash away the land.
20:06:42 There's a good chance that in by the year 2050 large portions of New, New Orleans, underwater.
20:06:49 Cause we need those barrier islands and we're eroding them. And down in Miami.
20:06:55 It's to make matters worse they're building on these They have these massive, massive skyscrapers.
20:07:02 That just wall off the coast down here and they're destroying the barrier islands that. You might remember the condo.
20:07:14 Hmm.
20:07:12 That collapsed a couple of years ago. Most of. Of, Florida's limestone.
20:07:18 And when they moved millions of people in there and they start pumping out the water for the millions of people to drink or to arrogate and grow sugar canes on so on.
20:07:28 They're hollowing out the the subsurface and then if you combine that with the erosion.
20:07:40 No.
20:07:34 The land just gave way underneath that building. So it creates problems. But you didn't want me to lecture on oceanography.
20:07:46 So I will just leave it at that. There is there is a reason for those barrier islands and it's really via spit out here, the dungeon is spit is the same thing.
20:07:56 It's a It's, has to do with the currents built they spent. Now the dungeon is several 1,000 years old.
20:08:04 It's kind of a remnant of, when the land was, higher during the ice age.
20:08:11 And. It, built a rocky shoal there. That as the.
20:08:21 Actually, this is what's in so much the. The land didn't sink so much as the oceans rose as the ice melted.
20:08:31 And so the spit is just the top of this rocky barrier that was.. By a combination of the glaciers and in the currents.
20:08:41 Created the spit.
20:08:43 So over there. Where I asked you about up there that, was that, what's known as the Outer Banks?
20:08:51 Yes, that's that's the outer banks.
20:08:53 I mean, I've, Oh, okay. Okay, heard of them, but I didn't know where they were.
20:08:56 Yeah, we lived in, We lived in, Columbia, which is, right up here at the top.
20:09:06 And we would drive down there in the wintertime and we could make it down there in about 8 h.
20:09:12 And it was just except for this stupid toll road that they have that. Virginia has between Chesapeake and the North Carolina border to basically just get money from tourists.
20:09:26 It's a really straight shot with no problems and we'd spend a week there and we didn't see anybody and it was quite pleasant after being in.
20:09:34 In the government in the DC area. Kathleen worked for the Pentagon and I work for Noah and You know, every once in a while you just wanted to get away and not kill somebody.
20:09:44 So.
20:09:51 Whatever you're gonna do next month.
20:09:56 Fonts.
20:09:59 Yes. I'm willing to talk about funds. Does anyone else want to talk about phones?
20:10:13 I'm asking because it's I think funds are fascinating, but I used to run, I've run a couple of magazines and I used to run a newspaper and I've been writing things since I was 12, so.
20:10:25 Fonts are fascinating to me, but I can make your eyes glaze over talking about fonts.
20:10:32 I know that Steve specifically wants to talk about font management, but.
20:10:36 What are fonts?
20:10:38 These, your name here, this is a, this is a serif font, a serifont means it doesn't have a serif font.
20:10:49 Sarah font means it doesn't have little squiggly things at the end of it. So Reinhard the name Reinard the on the screen right now.
20:10:53 That's a, Sarah font. A that's a sand syrup on it.
20:11:01 It's French for sands. It doesn't have it. It's French for sands, it doesn't have it.
20:11:05 And Sarah for there's little do hikis at the end of it. The, Times Roman, which is what they use for most newspapers and books and so on.
20:11:08 So forth. Those are serif fonts and serif fonts had these little squiggly things at the end.
20:11:14 To make them easier to read at smaller. Sizes and times roman was developed by the London Times so they they would use less ink and cram more information on a page and use less paper and less ink because those were their expenses.
20:11:33 And so that's what it was designed for. People tend to read words by shape. And a serif font.
20:11:41 Has more shape to it. So you can actually recognize things faster in a serif font than you can in a sand serif font.
20:11:49 But sans serif fonts we use all the time for things like stop sign. Stop sign, no serifs, just stop.
20:11:55 It's an emphatic. And for simple and short instructions, traffic signs and so on and so forth.
20:12:03 We use serif fonts. For the text that you read in books and newspapers, we use.
20:12:07 Seraph and it there's a whole science to it. And a lot of it just has to do with the brain.
20:12:14 If you are literate, you might remember when you were small when you were teaching, you know, cat is CAT, so you look for a C and you look for an A and then you look for T.
20:12:23 You only do that when you're little and you're illiterate. Once you're literate, you look at the shape.
20:12:29 You look at the shape of a word. And you don't read the individual letters anymore and it's much easier to read the shapes if you use serif fonts, So there's a, there's a science to this and a lot of just has to do with how the brain takes in information.
20:12:46 To be literate in Japanese. You need to know, 14,000 individual Japanese characters, you need to know 2 Japanese syllabaries and you also have to know Romanji.
20:13:01 And Romanji is Japanese written in Roman characters. And, there are some things that. You will notice in Japan, you if you see the name of a truck.
20:13:14 On the side of it, it always goes from right to left. Yeah, when it's being printed on like in newspapers, it goes from right to left, not left to right.
20:13:23 One on a truck, it goes from the front to the back. So on the on the right side of the truck, it goes from right to left.
20:13:31 But on the left side of the track, it goes from left to right because it goes from the front of the trunk.
20:13:37 To the back. So. I didn't realize this and I was trying to read whether this bus was going and it was backwards and I thought, well that makes sense but it's written backwards.
20:13:49 Now I was reading the right thing. It's just that they're custom as it goes from the front to the back.
20:13:53 We do the same thing on planes. The American flag on the tail of a plane. Always has the stars in towards aiming towards the front and the stripes are aiming toward the tail.
20:14:07 So on one side a little face the stars beyond the on the upper left and on the other side will be on the upper right.
20:14:12 So they're these kind of conventions that we just use all the time. We don't think about.
20:14:17 But somebody did and those people developed fonts and layout books and such.
20:14:23 And what about the word ambulance on the front of an ambulance? It's usually.
20:14:27 Yes. Yes, I was, I was in Japan once and I, we had a van in Japan because the rule of thumb in Japan is that the smaller car has to back up.
20:14:40 So Kathleen got this van because it's bigger than most of the small Japanese cars. Well, I was in the van and because it's a van it's up higher and I could see in the back window the word toy.
20:14:50 And it scared me to death because it meant there was a Toyota truck behind me and it was such a big truck that just the middle letters spelled the word toy.
20:15:00 And, that's interesting. And then of course, when, when I actually pulled away, it was Toyota written backwards, but it's still going to have that word toy.
20:15:12 Okay.
20:15:11 Front or back. It was, It was a sobering experience. Toyota trucks in Japan are can be really huge.
20:15:20 This was a semi.
20:15:25 Any other ideas for next month other than phones? Cause Steve's gonna win if nobody has a better idea.
20:15:32 I think it's a good subject to I used to do a lot of desktop publishing and as a matter of fact, Seattle Skating Club had that my daughter skated that.
20:15:43 Hosted a pretty large event and I got to make the take all the pictures and make all the guide for it.
20:15:53 Can't remember which call of it. Anyway, you know, that was kind of quite a project.
20:15:58 Okay.
20:15:59 Okay.
20:16:01 I will see you next month.
20:16:04 Sounds good. Thank you.
20:16:06 Thank you.
20:16:06 Thank you. Thank you.
20:16:09 Good night.
20:16:10 Thank you.
Apple will host an “Apple Event” on Tuesday, September 12, at 10 a.m. Pacific Time. As usual, Apple has not said a thing about what will be discussed, aside from providing a cool graphic:
Apple Event, Tuesday, September 12, 2023, 10 a.m. PT.
If they follow past practice, they will announce one or more iPhones, possibly a new Apple Watch or two, announce the release of iOS 17, and possibly the release of macOS 14 Sonoma.
Traditionally, they have not announced new computers in the fall, and on occasion, they have announced an iPad. Whatever they do, we will talk about it at the September SMUG meeting on Tuesday, September 19, 2023..
Columbia University has released a stand-alone application to run MacOS 9.0.4 on an Intel or Apple Silicon Macintosh. You must have macOS 10.12 (“Sierra”) or later. Yes, to run an operating system released in 1999, you must have a Mac and Mac operating system from at least the year 2016.
MacOS 9, running on macOS 13.5.1 in 2023. It loads ridiculously fast; back in 1999, you could prepare a snack while waiting for the computer to boot.
And yes, it is an application: dump it in your Applications folder and run it like any other application. You are emulating a PowerPC-based Macintosh from the year 2000 with 512 MB of memory, which is a lot of memory for that time. It comes with a nice variety of included programs, ranging from ClarisWorks (a combination word processing, spreadsheet, and database program) to MacPerl, a version of the Perl programming language. A much, much more recent version of Perl ships with every version of macOS X, but back in 1999, MacPerl was a language mostly used by hackers and scientists, and it definitely was not shipped as a standard MacOS component.
Some of the applications that ship with the MacOS 9 emulation. There are more applications, but this was the limit on the emulated screen.
MacOS 9 also had Desk Accessories, which were small programs that you could run while you were running other applications. (Multi-tasking, which we take for granted today, was a relatively new concept.) At one time, the average Mac user had dozens of desk accessories, ranging from games to jokes to desk accessories you used to pretend you were working in your office when the boss drifted by, but the emulation has a fairly modest, and saner, selection.
Desk accessories are included with the MacOS 9 emulation.
Two web browsers are included, the first being iCab 3.05 (a shareware web browser from Germany, still maintained and supported today; you can download it from https://www.icab.de/). While this ancient browser technically does work, almost every page visited resulted in an error.
The second browser is Classilla, a spinoff of Mozilla, one of the first web browsers. Classilla easily managed to load Google,
Google home page 2023 as seen in a Classila 1999 web browser window.
However, almost every other web address returned an error message. As an anti-hacker and security measure, Google and Apple sponsored a campaign to encrypt websites, and the encryption method used today simply did not exist in 1999. Attempting to visit the Strait Macintosh User Group site, for example, returned an error.
Classical was unable to load the Strait-Mac.org site due to an encryption error.
Classilla may have faded away, but its parent, Mozilla, still exists — Mozilla https://www.mozilla.org/ is the publisher of Firefox, which today has about 2.5% of the worldwide browser market. In contrast, Safari has about 21% of the market.
Is this emulation of a 1999 computer operating system useful in 2023? For most people, no. It is a splendid example of computer emulation, white-hat hacking, and other computer science achievements. It is a fun toy and a nostalgic toy. But it isn’t particularly useful.
And yet, it is a whole lot of fun, if you like playing with antique computer technology.
When computer user groups first started up in the 1970s, they operated something like grade school “show and tell.” Users – almost all male – would show up with their $5,000 computers sporting 8K of memory and a cassette tape storage device and show off a program they’d written that computed the value of pi to six places, or something equally clever and not all that useful. Within a few years, the “show and tell” had advanced to commercially purchased programs, with users saying how much they loved a new program that tracked the inventory in the kitchen pantry, or kept bowling league statistics, or allowed them to make and print custom birthday cards for their kids.
No one talked about an application that shipped on these things.
Times may have changed, but the July meeting had the same grass-roots excitement as the old days as members talked about their favorite iPhone, iPad, and Macintosh applications (apps). But first —
Q&A
Q: I have a new laptop. I set it up to use Time Machine with an external drive, but it will only do manual backups, not scheduled backups.
A: Did you reformat the external drive? Most drives you buy at Costco or Amazon come with a bunch of junk on them, including adware (software that constantly insists you pay to upgrade it to a “pro” version), and the drives are not formatted for Time Machine. Time Machine requires the drive to be formatted (using Disk Utility) with a macOS partition and must be case-sensitive. Normally, it is a bad idea to make a drive case-sensitive, but this is mandatory for Time Machine backups.
Also, keep in mind that Time Machine does backups, not archives. It is designed to help you quickly recover from a problem, not to store everything in an archive.
Q: Since last week my iPad disconnects from the Internet; sometimes once an evening. Is something wrong?
A: Possibly, but it could be your internet service provider (ISP). For the last 6-7 months, between 5 p.m. and 7:30 p.m., our Astound/Wave connection stalls. In our neighborhood, Wave is installing a second backbone. Lawrence predicts turmoil in the next few years for Internet providers. The state and federal governments are pushing broadband providers in rural areas to increase speed and stability. Investment by the government goes to companies that can show they are expanding and building out the infrastructure. People moved from cities to suburbs during the pandemic. The federal infrastructure bill requires evidence of building out broadband into areas not previously served. This will create churn in the industry.
Q: Are (local) internet lines underground?
A: On the Olympic Peninsula, fiber optic cables may be underground, depending on where you are located. Putting up poles is easier and cheaper, but in the long run, poles are more vulnerable; if cables are underground, they are better protected and easier to repair if there is a break.
Q: Apple Watch – why get this? [This question was asked during the program, as many of the apps mentioned could be viewed or triggered from an Apple Watch]
A: In addition to telling time, date, and other useful things, the Apple Watch has Fall Detection (can detect a fall and dial 911); Medical Alerts; track sleep; tract activity; heart rate; exposure to loud sounds; can use with iPhone to receive calls; can receive family alerts; tracks O2 levels in the blood; can do an EKG; linked to Apple Health App; can work with medication schedule on phone and Watch will prompt to take medications; voice memos, get weather, track tides – hundreds of things.
Emergency Updates
Apple recently released emergency security updates for all devices, dating back to Monterey and Big Sur. Check About This Mac (or the equivalent on your iPhone, iPad, or Apple TV).
Expect more updates before macOS Sonoma and iOS17 are released this fall.
Presentation: Bring your favorite app
Apple App Store note: if you already own an app, it is hard to see the cost, as the button that normally shows cost is replaced by an offer to open the app, or to download it. Some price and subscription information can be found if you scroll through the description. Some apps are “free” and limited, or just a free demo, with a working version costing money. Some apps have multiple versions, ranging from free to a Pro version.
Apple App Store downloads, including free purchases, require an Apple ID to verify who gets the app.
If you have an Apple Silicon-based Mac, quite a few iPhone and iPad apps will work on those Macs, though sometimes they aren’t very useful on a desktop
BBEdit, a text editor for programming (Perl, HTML, Swift, Unix command line, etc.); highlights syntax by color, and spell checks code: https://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
Libby, can check out library electronic books or audiobooks, can listen to books; do not own the book but check it out; can get on a waitlist; two weeks to read the book; may renew; supported by Sequim Library and North Olympic Library System; https://apps.apple.com/sz/app/libby-by-overdrive/id1076402606
Reminders, available on Mac, iPhone, iPad, Watch; can set time reminders, calendar reminders, or can trigger a reminder when you are near a location; alerts can appear on the lock screen of your phone or iPad, or on Apple Watch; https://support.apple.com/guide/watch/reminders-apdf10efb1bf/watchos
Photo Pills, assists in combining stars and sky into elegant photos; suggest times and what can be seen, so can set up a location at the right moment; teaching videos; https://apps.apple.com/us/app/photopills/id596026805
A Better Finder Rename, can change dozens or hundreds of file names at once, e.g., 1080p, will find and replace; e.g., image followed by a number – replace with the location where the photo was taken; may take a while if doing 10K files https://www.publicspace.net/ABetterFinderRename/index.html
Note: some of astronomical applications can work with a computerized telescope to automatically point and focus the telescope at particular stars or nebula or planets.
Next month – August 2023: Apple Maps; custom maps? (Google Map will do this); maybe? Or we will do something else.
Video of July 2023 meeting
Meeting transcript
Transcripts are automatically generated from Zoom via Zoom’s automated closed captioning.
18:32:42 Suppose captioning. So that we have a transcript.
18:32:51 And one more thing I need to do that I forgot to do as I did not make. Hey.
18:33:01 Hey, sign in shape. So I need to do something about that. But in the meantime, I can talk about.
18:33:11 Questions and answers if somebody has questions. Thomas.
18:33:18 Anybody have questions?
18:33:21 No, I had a question. I, last week but The new, laptop, M 2 max.
18:33:33 Laptop and I got Ventura installed on it my old laptop was so 8 years old wouldn't run Ventura so I can only run Monterey on it.
18:33:45 And everything went well. I used migration assistant. I actually installed all the applications from scratch without migration assistance so that I got the versions that were compatible with.
18:33:59 With the new operating system. And, everything was working fine. Except for one thing.
18:34:07 And I noted and I bought a brand new. External drive, to do time machine with. And it just wouldn't do automatic backups to the my new drive.
18:34:24 I it would do manual backups. Yes, and and all the files were there. And so I was doing manual backups, yes, and all the files were there. And so I was doing manual backups.
18:34:32 But on my old laptop, I had this. App called Time Machine Editor.
18:34:38 And it let you schedule the backups at your leisure. So I looked on the internet to see if there was a version compatible with Ventura.
18:34:47 Sure enough, the newest version of Time Machine Editor. Is, is for Ventura.
18:34:54 And so I downloaded it. And now it works fine. I could do hourly backups every other.
18:35:03 You know, every other hour, every 4 h, every 10 h, every day. Once a day, twice a day, 3 times a day.
18:35:12 You know, it has all these features. And actually, I made a little PDF.
18:35:22 Okay.
18:35:16 2 page PDF. That shows how that works. I don't know if you, I don't know if you could put that on.
18:35:26 Send it to me. Usually if people can't make backups with, First of all, I would not I would never ever ever have time machine run using your custom schedule.
18:35:39 But it doesn't do it.
18:35:38 It's designed to work on its own schedule. And you can well yes but you see there's something that you probably didn't do time machine the drive needs to be formatted.
18:35:48 When you plugged it in, did you format it?
18:35:50 It was already 4 min 8 PFS.
18:35:53 Yes, but it needs to be APFS case sensitive.
18:35:58 Oh. Oh.
18:35:59 And if it's not formatted, APFS case sensitive. It won't work right.
18:36:06 Yeah, it won't actually do the buy backups properly. So when you plug it in for the very first time and you launched Time Machine and pointed at at time machine or even before then when it sees the external drive.
18:36:19 Your Mac should offer to format it as a time machine drive and whatever you do don't cancel that you should let it do that and if it wasn't form formatting this APFS case sensitive You might want to go back and, do that.
18:36:34 Because the reason why that's necessary is that when it's backing stuff up, it's backing up just staggering amounts of stuff, including things that you can't see.
18:36:44 And Unix itself is case sensitive. You don't notice it because Apple has for the Mac operating system, it they make it case insensitive so that if you have uppercase A's and lowercase a's and they sort they'll still sort in alphabetical order.
18:37:04 Okay.
18:36:59 But for the time machine and actually
18:37:08 I'm not even sure if that's actually I've got a time machine back put up drive right here.
18:37:13 I shall ask it what it says it is.
18:37:16 So you can't do that after the fact and put the case in. I have to reformat it.
18:37:22 Unless it says the easiest way to find out is to click on the drive once say command I to bring up get info.
18:37:30 And if it says APFS case sensitive, then you're in good shape. And if not, then yeah, you really do need to reformat it.
18:37:38 I'm gonna share my screen because that way I can. Show you.
18:37:48 This is my time machine drive. Which is, over here behind this thing that I can't see right now.
18:38:10 Oh, okay.
18:37:55 This is my, where is my time machine? This thing says time travel is my time machine drive. And yes, that's a that's a, Star Trek, our fleet and logo there but anyway you'll see up here it says APFS case sensitive And that is when people say I plugged
18:38:15 in the drive and it didn't work, the first thing they didn't do is when people say I plugged in the drive and it didn't work the drive and it didn't work, the first thing they didn't do was they didn't reformat the drive.
18:38:22 You should never ever ever take a drive. In fact, I don't even to the drive. You should never ever ever ever take a drive.
18:38:27 In fact, I don't even, ever, ever, ever take a drive. In fact, I don't even just take computers when I buy a new computer.
18:38:29 The very first thing because I don't know what's on the I don't know what's on the drive.
18:38:33 Now if you don't have a fast internet and you reformat your Mac, That could be a you could be in a world of hurt because you need to download the new operating system afterwards and that's kind of difficult if you just.
18:38:47 If you just.
18:38:47 Yeah, well I haven't had trouble other than not having the backups work.
18:38:52 No, if you have a brand new Mac, I wouldn't worry about it. Because I'm just saying that I used to do that because I used to do security for the government and that was part of our protocol.
18:39:04 I can't really tell you the details, but we had good reason to went to do it that way.
18:39:10 So we reformatted everything as soon as it came in no matter what it just blew away what was on top of it.
18:39:18 As soon as it came in, no matter what, and just blew away what was on top of it.
18:39:19 On PCs, for example, PCs, for example, PCs, for example, PCs just come out of it.
18:39:21 On PCs, for example, PCs just come loaded with a bunch of Adwords.
18:39:21 You go into Best Bine, you buy a Windows machine. It's just come loaded with a bunch of adware.
18:39:27 If you go into Best Buy, you buy a Windows machine. It comes with a demo, a Windows machine.
18:39:28 It comes with a demo version of a Windows machine. It comes with a demo version of Mccaffy, a Windows machine.
18:39:34 It comes with a demo version of McCaffy that that expires after 90 days. And in the meantime, is it yells at you to update the subscription and you get adds it yells at you to update.
18:39:46 And in the meantime, it yells at you to update the subscription and you get ads from whoever.
18:39:48 Like if you buy it from ACS, you'll get So you really want to be a part of our Xbox family, don't you?
18:39:50 No, I don't. Now I don't. So,
18:39:53 Okay, well I guess I've only got a week's worth of data. The backup so I could easily reformat it and not lose much.
18:40:02 You won't lose anything because remember it's not an archive. It's a backup.
18:40:07 It backs up what you have. It's not an archive. If you want an archive, You want to lose anything.
18:40:14 So.
18:40:10 That's right, I won't lose anything. Yeah, in fact. You know, I had made changes and updates and things like that.
18:40:26 Yeah.
18:40:21 So Everything's done now kind of except that so it'll be easy to reformat it case sensitive and then you saying it should work automatically at that point.
18:40:31 You still have to tell time machine you have to point it to it and say use that. But. But and
18:40:36 Yeah, oh yeah, I did that right. Yeah, and I didn't realize that you know it came out of the box It said oh Mac ready you know and
18:40:44 Well, keep in mind, keep in mind that time machine, you use this 8 year old utility with time machine.
18:40:52 Time machine has changed drastically. Since then, the operating system is different. The processor is different.
18:41:01 Everything's different.
18:40:59 The disk drive formatting is different and you don't it's not HFS plus anymore it's It's APFS.
18:41:04 Right, right.
18:41:07 So there's nothing at all that's in common with your old machine.
18:41:10 Oh no, no, I downloaded the new scheduler from the internet for and it said Ventura.
18:41:17 Yeah, but I still, I, my, once you do the initial update, the initial update, the initial backup tapes forever because it's backing up everything.
18:41:28 Right.
18:41:28 But after you do that, just ignore it. It backs up every hour. You'll never notice that it's backing it up.
18:41:32 Right. Oh yeah, I have a 4 TB external drive.
18:41:36 Yeah, so don't do that. But the my time machine backup drive is a 4 TB.
18:41:42 My time machine backup drive is a 4 TB. What is this? Toshiba that I got from Amazon.
18:41:46 So solid state drive, 108 bucks plus Tax license, dealer prep, so on and so forth.
18:41:51 And it just backs up and I ignore it.
18:41:53 Yeah. Okay, I'll try that. Thank you.
18:41:59 So I actually had an answer for that.
18:42:01 Yeah, that was great. Thanks again.
18:42:08 Any other questions?
18:42:10 I have a question that. Trouble shooting type question. In the last week, approximately last week,
18:42:21 Both of our iPads have started. Disconnecting from the internet. One more than the other, but it's.
18:42:28 It happens once or twice an evening. For no reason that we can determine. The yes
18:42:35 Are you on wave? Okay, that's your answer. See another answer.
18:42:42 Yeah, okay. Care to elaborate.
18:42:48 Kathleen and I have noticed we want the news every night and we stream it via, YouTube, TV, which is Google.
18:42:56 And we use YouTube just TV because that way we can get Seattle news, news stations. And for the last.
18:43:05 6 7 months sometime between 5 and 7 30 every day every single day including weekends. We lose the internet for a few minutes.
18:43:17 And usually right in the middle of the news. So and the latest news from South Florida is and then you wait 5 min 2 min whatever for you to find out what happened in South Florida because it's just it just stalls.
18:43:35 We do know that in our local area. We live in sun wave has been running fiber here so that instead of having one fiber bundle come into our neighbourhood. They have to.
18:43:49 The way wave and everybody else works it. They run a big pipe and it's not a party but it's a wire but they run a big pipe into your neighborhood and then they split it off so that If you get up at 4 30 in the morning, you usually have great internet speeds because nobody's on, but around dinner time you have a whole bunch
18:44:08 of people get on that stalls. Is not probably not that. Reason, but it could be. We just think that day that the day shift leaves that wave and the guys for the evening have it come on and check the boxes. That wave and the guys for the evening have it come on and check the boxes or who knows what they're doing.
18:44:29 Maybe they're plugging in the guys for the evening haven't come on and check the boxes or who knows what they're doing.
18:44:32 Maybe they're plugging in their X boxes. We don't know. But it seems to happen at a fairly standard time every night.
18:44:35 And we don't know what they're doing, but we do know that locally they are putting in.
18:44:40 Additional cables. I expect a fairly great turmoil in the internet provider. Ranks in the next few years.
18:44:50 Because. The infrastructure, I can't remember what the infrastructure act is. One of the things that has is that one spring broadband to everybody in the country.
18:45:01 And into into the inner cities and into rural areas and so on. And broadband in. Clown County is.
18:45:14 It's broadband because the industry says it's broadband. If you have 2 megabits per second or faster the industry considers it broadband.
18:45:26 Now in Korea broadband is considered gigabyte which is 500 times faster than what the industry in the United States says it is.
18:45:35 But they're trying to increase the speed. Well, if you think about the billions of dollars that they say they're going to invest in this.
18:45:42 Is that money coming into you? Is that coming coming to me? No, it's going to the.
18:45:48 Is going to the internet providers. It's going to Comcast and and wave and and those people.
18:45:58 But in order for them to qualify it, they have to show that they're actually building out. About 20 years ago, Verizon started advertising they had FIOS.
18:46:11 Now, FIOS is just a trade name for fiber optic. You could get fiber optic at home with files.
18:46:16 And, they started advertising this heavily on TV. Kathleen and I signed up for it when we were in Columbia, Maryland and when at the time that we left, we were getting.
18:46:28 Dig a bit down and dig a bit up. to our home and it didn't cost that much more than what some people were doing for DSL.
18:46:40 By about 10 years ago. The powers that be at, that at Verizon decided they they were going to melt their cow and they decided to stop expanding their network and they were just going to sell it to new people into areas that they'd already built out.
18:46:57 So they weren't going to expand anymore. They were just going to sell it to more customers and whatever customer area they happen to be.
18:47:03 And they were going to pocket the money that they would have. Done on investment. So. They kept on advertising files, but they didn't actually start building it out anymore.
18:47:17 They just. Throws it in place. And a lot of the companies have done that. So after they go to the high density parts of New York City and Washington DC and Philadelphia and Chicago, they just stopped.
18:47:29 Well, people in suburbs don't like that and as the wealth hollowed out the cities as people moved into the suburbs.
18:47:38 Then the people in the suburbs didn't have high speed but the people in this in the cities did.
18:47:43 And the infrastructure bill, among other things, is setting standards that you must be doing this sort of work in order to qualify for these funds.
18:47:53 And so you're gonna see a lot of effort on the parts of Verizon and Comcast and ATT and everybody else to show that they really deserve.
18:48:04 To get some of this infrastructure funds it's sort of like when the high bill white bill comes out Does the state of Washington get the highway money?
18:48:11 No, does who gets the highway money? The people who actually have the bulldozers and and cement trucks and so on.
18:48:21 Of course they get the money. And the people in order to qualify for this infrastructure money are gonna have to show that they're actually building out.
18:48:28 Broadband areas that were not previously served. So if they've been sitting on their butts for 10 years, they have to get up and actually do something.
18:48:40 I suspect there's gonna be quite a bit of churn over there. Next few years because, You know, they want profits, but they also want somebody else to pay as much of the cost as possible.
18:48:56 Sure.
18:48:54 Can I ask a related question is the The, is it?
18:49:01 Typical on the peninsula for wave for example to have their main fiber pipe or cable underground.
18:49:11 That's a good question. The Answer is it depends upon where you were located.
18:49:17 Well, the reason I ask is that this is a We live in a relatively new development. And the When wave came out.
18:49:27 They pulled wire out of the ground. I mean it was in a the wire. The but the pipe from the house was already underground to a junction box.
18:49:41 So they just they had to pull the wire from the junction but but that box itself. Is connected to something underground.
18:49:49 Yes. It depends upon where you're located. Where we're located, all the utilities are underground.
18:49:57 So there's no There are no telephone polls or utility polls in our development. But in other places where there is, it's on the poll.
18:50:07 The good news, bad news about the polls. The polls are easier to put up and you can do it faster because you don't have to, you don't have to cut streets and so on and so forth.
18:50:16 But the bad news is they wear out and they get damaged and cars run into them. So long term, it's fast.
18:50:22 It's, more, it's, faster and easier long term to have it underground, but you see the quarterly profits don't take into account the fact that 10 years later your company is going to be making money.
18:50:37 So if at all possible, utility companies will run it above ground. But if it's already installed because the development was set up that way, they put it underground.
18:50:46 And when they pull that stuff from underground, if you've already got a cable, what they do is they just tie their new cable onto the old cable and they pull it.
18:50:54 They're using the old cable as a stringer. So it's it should be fairly easy.
18:50:59 They might have ripped it out, but really they were just taking advantage of what was already there to restring their new cable.
18:51:05 I'm a bit nervous because there within a half a mile of us. There are a number of projects and this apparently is all over the city.
18:51:17 Where they're digging up the street. And I don't know what they're doing.
18:51:22 I don't know if they're replacing. Water lines or storm sewers or whatever but I I'm nervous that while they're doing that they may inadvertently cut through one of these pipes.
18:51:32 I don't think that's happened. I mean, it sounds to us like what you just described with wave and daily interruptions for whatever reason that's That seems to be what we're experiencing, but.
18:51:45 All this construction makes me a bit nervous that there might be something worse. Down the
18:51:51 Well, Kathleen and I have commented that it seems that if you're going north on Fifth Avenue.
18:51:59 They finally get it paved and then the next. Week you come down there and they're digging new trenches.
18:52:08 And I'm picking on Fifth Avenue because we take it fairly often. I don't know what they're doing.
18:52:15 If If I wanted to, I could probably. Call up the city engineer or go into the column county website, but I don't know what they're doing.
18:52:21 Yes. Somebody just asked me how do you.
18:52:27 Sign up and the answer is I'm still putting together the. The the sign in sheet so I haven't got there.
18:52:40 Haven't got that far yet. I notice a number of people don't actually have their cameras turned off.
18:52:48 So we being We're being. Quiet today.
18:53:06 What did I call today? What's the name of it?
18:53:14 Doing your favorite app, okay. I'm trying to make the sign in form and I'm trying to remember what.
18:53:19 I called it.
18:53:25 Okay. Any other questions? Yes. Yes.
18:53:30 I have a question. Call here. Okay, when I plug in my iPhone to the computer.
18:53:39 The computer doesn't seem to recognize it doesn't show up on the screen. What's the problem there?
18:53:46 When you plug your iPhone in.
18:53:48 Yes. Shouldn't it show up on the screen as as a, device?
18:53:56 It can, but you have to do something in exactly what you do with it.
18:54:03 I don't remember.
18:54:04 To be able to ask you if you wanted to use it as a storage device and you would answer yes, but I don't know anymore.
18:54:11 I think you. I think your turn on screen mirroring.
18:54:18 I might want to do that tonight and I should have. Checked on that beforehand but there's if you go to the control panel One of the, one of the icons if you've added it is screen marrying you turn on screen Mary and then it'll show up on your desktop.
18:54:35 Screen marine looks like 2 rectangles right next to each other. It's about the middle of the screen there.
18:54:44 Looks like.
18:54:47 Oh, that's
18:54:47 You get that. Yeah, you get that by pulling down from the top up here.
18:54:52 Okay, right.
18:54:53 But if you haven't added it, I may not be there by default. So you might have to add it.
18:54:58 Oh, okay. Thank you.
18:55:05 Okay.
18:55:07 Sure.
18:55:11 Let's see.
18:55:17 Responses.
18:55:23 Alright. And.
18:55:29 Sign in sheet.
18:55:35 And yes, I was making a shine in sheet. While talking to people. And I of course, screwed that up.
18:55:45 So I have to. Go back here and get my link again.
18:56:05 Why does it have to be? Difficult.
18:56:12 No, it's because Google's not. Sharing the clipboard with my machine. So I'm going to mail this to myself.
18:56:30 I don't know. I think it just hates me.
18:56:35 You totally mean that. Okay.
18:56:45 Send.
18:56:53 Anyway, while I'm waiting for this to show up. I shall.
18:57:06 Well, that was not useful.
18:57:14 It sent me a letter but it didn't send things. Form.
18:57:26 Why won't it?
18:57:26 Wow.
18:57:37 Zoom hates me.
18:58:02 Paste. There it is.
18:58:10 And it's still not pasting.
18:58:19 That was too difficult.
18:58:24 Okay. So now there's a sign in form.
18:58:29 There it is.
18:58:34 Okay.
18:58:29 And it helps if I do this in advance. Anyway, any questions other than my relative competency? I'm not sure I understand.
18:58:42 If you
18:58:50 Indirectly. Any other questions?
18:58:56 Well, I have a question for you. Apple issued an emergency update. And how many of you installed it on your on your watch on your iPhone, your iPad.
18:59:08 Your Mac.
18:59:14 I did.
18:59:12 I did the iPhones and iPads, but I didn't do my watch and I didn't.
18:59:21 Can't do my Mac because it can't really get any more updates anymore because it's too old.
18:59:26 This latest update for some things went back to Monterey and Big Sir. So. Well.
18:59:36 Well, I think.
18:59:32 Yeah, mine is before that. Catalina.
18:59:34 Yeah. Meet me too.
18:59:43 Yes.
18:59:40 Are you talking about the rapid response update? Yeah, I installed it on everything. When it was the A version and then they pulled that and Set out the C version a day or 2 later.
18:59:54 Yeah.
18:59:54 But that was really quick. If you, if you installed the A, the C on the iPhone anyway was really quick.
19:00:01 Hey, yeah, that's because they change basically a hundred characters of the update. So it was really quick.
19:00:09 And.
19:00:09 And in fact, I didn't even notice that my watch was updated until my watch told me, Hey, I've been updated.
19:00:20 Any questions?
19:00:22 Just gonna say I have it on automatic so I assume it did it and I remember seeing something about it.
19:00:29 I'm not sure whether it's on my phone or on my computer.
19:00:35 Even though it's you can tell on your computer if you just go up to the about this Mac and it comes up with the version.
19:00:44 If it's got a if you're running Ventura it'll have a C. After it.
19:00:47 That means that it's got the security update and on the iPhone and iPad is a little bit harder to figure out what it is and on the watch it's really difficult.
19:00:55 But, I mentioned this simply because I normally just let the Mac update itself and I don't care but for security updates I update immediately.
19:01:08 And, for major operating system updates. I have a cycle like where there's gonna be a new version of the Mac operating system.
19:01:24 Ventura? No.
19:01:21 What's the name of it? Sonoma Sonoma Sonoma Yeah, so known as the ones coming out.
19:01:26 So normal.
19:01:30 I keep on forgetting because everyone says, oh, don't you like Sonoma? Well, I don't drink wine, so.
19:01:36 Yeah.
19:01:36 Okay.
19:01:35 Not really. The, for operating system updates, I always update them almost immediately because I want to know how it works so that people when they start asking me questions, I'll have an answer.
19:01:54 And we appreciate that.
19:01:51 So I'm usually. Quite quick on updates. How you had a question?
19:02:03 Yeah.
19:01:58 Question, yes. I did the update. But on my on my phone and it it only shows iOS 16.5 point 1, it doesn't have the C.
19:02:13 And I looked as soon as I updated and that's what it showed. And I thought, oh, well, maybe it isn't, isn't actually registering the C on the iPhone.
19:02:22 Let me see what it says here online.
19:02:26 Yeah, mine doesn't show. To see on my, but does on the iPhone, but not watch.
19:02:33 Mine doesn't show up on my iPhone.
19:02:33 On the watch, I don't remember what it does, but. And My internet is slow because I'm running to boot Zoom session.
19:02:50 Understand this.
19:02:44 So I'll just let this. Catering cogitate but yeah, this, see was because they had an A update and it caused
19:02:55 Unable to check. Okay. Be that way. Yeah, it does show the same.
19:02:57 It does show it does show the see if you On the, on the iPhone, if you go to general settings general.
19:03:07 Software update. It will show you, it will show you a good version.
19:03:16 See.
19:03:09 I don't know if you could see it, but it says. IOS 16.5 point 1 and then inside of parentheses Okay.
19:03:27 Oh, okay.
19:03:26 I should ask our president if there's in treasure if there are any things they would like to save.
19:03:31 Right now.
19:03:33 So sorry, I'm just doing the. The form. Let me close it.
19:03:42 Oh good.
19:03:41 Okay. I just did the sign in form. Welcome everybody. No, I have nothing to, to add and there's no, nothing new from Treasury in regards to, any numbers changing.
19:03:58 So it's all yours, Lawrence.
19:04:00 Okay. For this Today we were going to talk about someone suggested and I don't remember who suggested it that we talk about our favorite apps.
19:04:11 And I thought that was a splendid idea because that way I didn't have to prepare anything, but.
19:04:17 Yeah.
19:04:18 It's also, it's also interesting just to find out what other people. Are doing with their machines.
19:04:25 I, was talking to this guy and Maryland, couple of days ago.
19:04:34 More than a couple of days ago was last week. In his favorite Mac application is a, is a tool for making maps.
19:04:45 Now he's a geographer, so that's not too surprising, but he Works at my former.
19:04:52 I, my former place of work. He works at Noah and National Ocean Service makes all the nautical charts for the United States.
19:04:58 And he's been working for several years to come up with a a workflow that can be certified as as a workflow for for Noah Maps.
19:05:09 It's really, really complicated process. And the, a standard nautical try it's got like, 30 to 40 layers of information that you can press down onto this map.
19:05:20 And, it's complicated and expensive. And so he's really proud of himself and he was telling me about this and about 5 min into his explanation my I started glazing over because while it was fascinating I am not a GIS expert and I had no idea what he was talking about half the time.
19:05:40 But, so it's, but it's just interesting to see what people do with their machines.
19:05:45 So. Does anyone have anything they'd like to talk about first?
19:05:50 Well, I'm the one that made the suggestion last week, so I made sure and did my homework.
19:05:55 I have a bunch so I wouldn't wanna hog the thing and do all of them but I'll do a couple to start with if, if that would be reasonable.
19:06:04 Do you want to show your screen? I can set it up so you can.
19:06:07 Well, probably. No, it's on my phone and I'm logged in on my computer.
19:06:18 Okay.
19:06:14 So, but I can talk about it and tell you what it does, give you the name and if I know if there's a a subscription like that kind of thing.
19:06:22 So. Okay, so the first ones I got are have to do with nature. So I have a man a folder on my phone called nature.
19:06:33 I've imagined that. Anyway, I have a Merlin bird ID. MERL IN and it identifies birds and it does that by sound so it'll use your speaker and it'll listen and hear the bird and it'll make a darn good guess about what it is.
19:06:52 It also, you know, you can put in the size that has several listed there like hummingbird size, pigeon size and, eagle size or something like that, you know, and you pick one which ones you want there and then it asks you what color or colors it is and you put that in and
19:07:10 then what action is it flying? Is it on a tree? Is it on the ground? What's it doing?
19:07:13 Tree.
19:07:24 Okay.
19:07:15 And you tell it that and it will, give you a good guess based on your location. And then the third way that it, decides, helps you determine what the bird is.
19:07:28 Is it, let you either take or choose a photo so you could take a photo and it'll try to analyze that or it'll, offer to show you a bunch and you can tell us if any of those match.
19:07:43 So, and it does a good job. Especially on the sounds and it has a bunch of there calls and things that you can.
19:07:54 That you can, play back and if it annoys them greatly you'll know that you got the right bird.
19:08:02 Yeah. Evening.
19:08:01 Yeah. So it can base the identification on a photo you take of it. Or on the sound. Huh.
19:08:10 Yes. I do the sound because usually I can't get a good photo of it before it's already gone or whatever.
19:08:20 But and I haven't tried the photo or and I just saw that you could do that and it'll either let you take one or choose one from it's from its database.
19:08:29 Again, it's based on your location. It'll use your GPS to see where you are.
19:08:40 On the east coast, yeah.
19:08:33 So that way it won't include. Like, Australian birds for instance. Yeah, well some of these have databases for you choose whether you want to include.
19:08:48 West Coast versus East Coast versus all of it and that sort of thing. So that's, you know, that's a choice that you make and I can't remember about Merlin.
19:08:58 Merlin has, no subscription. And I can't remember, you know, once you, once you get an app, you can no longer tell the price.
19:09:08 If it's free or whatever because that's hidden from you when you try to go back and look at it again.
19:09:14 So, so I don't remember if it cost anything but I don't think it did and if it was it was cheap.
19:09:22 Oh, was it? Okay, cool. Yeah.
19:09:19 No. Yeah, it was it was free. Yeah, and I use it too. II could comment on that on the on the the microphone It's really sensitive.
19:09:42 Yep.
19:09:33 I'll hear a bird. And I'll hold it up and it'll it'll give me it might give me 3 or 4 birds 2 or 3 that I don't even hear you know and So, but when the bird sings, it lights up the, the hitting.
19:09:52 So it's really a useful app. That'd be one of my favorite ones too. Yeah.
19:09:54 Yeah, I when I, tried to get one the other day, I got the bird that it was, I can't remember what it was now, but it also, I think it was.
19:10:03 Yeah.
19:10:05 Anyway, it also got a hummingbird that I didn't even know was there at the same time.
19:10:09 Yeah, yeah.
19:10:19 Yeah.
19:10:11 So that's, my first one and another one along the same vein is picture this but picture this as a as a $30 a year.
19:10:26 Subscription fee And I don't like that. So I stopped using picture this and now I have another one called Sikh instead.
19:10:35 It's just SEK. It identifies birds, plants, and animals and there's no subscription fee.
19:10:44 So I like that better than the $30 a year that for picture this. Picture this is good for plants and it's quite good at it.
19:10:56 And it also will diagnose problems with, for instance, your house plans. It also will help you identify insects.
19:11:05 Trees and of course birds. Seek, I think it will help you try to identify just about anything.
19:11:16 Verge plants, animals. Probably not buildings. I think it does like bugs and things as well.
19:11:23 So. Good. So that's my 3 to start with. They're all easy to use, especially Merlin.
19:11:33 Picture this it has a bunch of different screens that you have to go through to to, have it work well for you.
19:11:43 And I have more, but I will give somebody else an opportunity to enlighten us with their choices now.
19:11:49 I'm pretty sure Kathleen was going to download Merlin because we were We were stopped at, we stopped at downtown, there was a bird that we could hear was in a tree up.
19:12:06 Yeah.
19:12:02 On Washington. We had no idea what it was, but it sounded really pretty. And so we speculated and she started hitting me because I have strange speculations but.
19:12:13 Knowing what it was would be a nice thing.
19:12:15 Yeah.
19:12:20 Anyone else?
19:12:25 Okay.
19:12:26 Okay.
19:12:25 Hi, I would like to ask. Since we're doing this And, you know, we're, there are useful apps and so forth.
19:12:36 And you might, for example, Tell us more about the Maps app. I wondered if we would consider having special interest groups.
19:12:43 Gracious one.
19:12:44 That would focus, you know, we're. Those of us who are particularly interested in One app might get together outside of our.
19:12:52 Regularly scheduled meetings. I, for example, the app I like best is I movie. Which I, but it's not the one I use the most.
19:13:03 It's just the one that I find. And I get the most pleasure out of using, but I decidedly an amateur.
19:13:10 And in terms of knowing. What it can do. And what the best ways might be. To do the things that I sort of know how to do.
19:13:21 Like for example, use the green screen.
19:13:24 Anyway, everybody knows about I movie so I'll mention one app that I've used which is you can have a subscription to it but it's one of those deals where you have to either pay by the year by the month.
19:13:38 And I don't use it enough. To make that worth. Subscribing to that's called Footpath F.
19:13:49 And it's like Gaia, I think is the name of Another fancy competitor. You know, you can download maps.
19:13:59 Topographical maps and all that sort of thing. But mostly it will show. For example, like it shows all the Olympic discovery trail stuff.
19:14:08 It shows most of the most of the, hiking trails. Yeah, in the Olympic National Park.
19:14:15 So. And it will tell you the distance and the elevation and all that sort of thing. I walk around town, you know, just because my doctor says I have to exercise my back.
19:14:27 So I walk around town and I can you can save up to 5 in the free version. You can save up to 5.
19:14:33 Routes and then you know you can change that. Change the 5 but it's handy because it shows you the street layouts and you know it'll tell you what the distance is you just trace along it And it and includes almost all the streets.
19:14:49 I mean, I haven't found any street that it doesn't include yet. And it has most of the trails around here and, you know, you can trace along those and I'll tell you.
19:14:58 Altitude and distance and so forth and if you If you have location. Turned on then it'll show you you know the GPS thing will show you where you are on the trail.
19:15:12 Which can be handy. For example, we got we got lost one time. Before I understood how to use it.
19:15:21 And after we had. Clambered through the woods and Fortunately intersected the trail.
19:15:30 Yeah.
19:15:27 We ran into a fellow who had gone along the same route that we did. Where we got lost he didn't because he was using the GPS which showed where the trail should be.
19:15:39 It was in the middle of a bramble patch and it is all overgrown. We couldn't see it and he couldn't see it, but he could see where he was and where the trails, should go.
19:15:49 So he just followed that on his phone. And got through it without having to scramble through the woods.
19:15:54 So, you know, I felt kind of foolish. For not understanding how to do that. But at least now I do.
19:16:05 What was the name of that app again?
19:16:01 And anyway, it's a very nice app. That's in the app store. Footpath F 00 TPAT H.
19:16:09 Footpath.
19:16:12 That's in the App Store.
19:16:13 Thank you.
19:16:14 Yeah, my 2 cents.
19:16:18 Since we're on that topic, I'll get to you in a second, Paul. Since we're on that general topic, I use, Strava.
19:16:24 Strava has a paid version. As well as a free version. I just use the free version.
19:16:31 And when I ride my bike or I go for a walk. I just leave my phone in my pocket.
19:16:37 I don't bother to. Look at it because if I can see where I'm going, I don't care.
19:16:45 But among other things, it has a complication that I can put on my phone because if I can see where I'm going, I don't care.
19:16:55 Yeah.
19:16:55 But among other things, it has a complication that I can from my wristwatch and it maps out my path so that if I'm riding my bike it'll tell me how far I went and give me a map of where I went, tell me the relative elevation and the distance and the speed and while I'm using it I
19:17:11 don't pay any attention to it, but it gives me a record of my walk or my bike ride and Strava has 2 versions and they constantly ping you to upgrade it to the professional version, but.
19:17:24 The free version is fine with me. And the nice thing about the mass is I can I can email them to Kathleen or she can email me.
19:17:32 Her map so that she can show that she went half a mile farther than I did her. Was 2 min faster or whatever she wants to, but, It's a different purpose than what then.
19:17:47 Footpath because it doesn't guide me. If I'm going down the street, I don't really I don't need the guide, but I would like to have a record of how far it was and the distance and elevation and the time.
19:18:02 So that's handy for me. Paul, you had something to say?
19:18:07 Yeah, well, I use Gaia and, That's a good one. It does show some of the.
19:18:15 Some of the trails and And things we use it when we're mountain biking.
19:18:22 I use it when I'm mountain biking and like you say it gives you where you you know, it gives you a track.
19:18:27 Now I had a question about footpaths. Does that track where you've been? The footpath.
19:18:34 Well, no, it's just not the free version just shows. Just shows the route you choose.
19:18:42 I mean, for example, it's got it shows all the trails in the area and then you'd Use your finger and, or I guess you could use a pencil on an iPad.
19:18:53 Oh, okay.
19:18:52 You drag along where you wanna go and it'll tell you, it'll tell you, you know, mile by mile.
19:18:58 It does it by miles. I don't know if you can you can do it in kilometers, but I don't think it'll do.
19:19:03 Finer gradations than a mile. So for example, if it's a 7 mile. Trail.
19:19:10 It'll tell you the entire. Link like 7.2 5. And it will put a mile marker at each mile from whichever end you start.
19:19:19 Right. I found it. My wife. Wristwatch or the the Apple watch.
19:19:27 Compared to her iPhone will give me almost all of the information that Lawrence was just saying he gets from.
19:19:37 He is a, yeah.
19:19:35 Gaia. I mean, there's a map. There it shows the elevation.
19:19:40 You know, it shows all that stuff.
19:19:45 Well, I would definitely check it out.
19:19:46 So. Gota is a subscription, isn't it?
19:19:53 It's both.
19:19:55 Okay, so you either pick the pro version or the Free version. Oh, okay.
19:20:05 How do you spell Gaia?
19:20:09 She
19:20:09 . That's Greek. It means earth. It's a god of earth.
19:20:21 If you're great.
19:20:22 I was wondering what that meant.
19:20:25 Okay.
19:20:31 Anyone else?
19:20:36 Well, I've got more if, if people are.
19:20:40 Well, I may have one kind of. More of a scientific, or programming tool.
19:20:53 Hmm.
19:20:50 But I like a BB edit for for program, I program in Pearl and Unix.
19:20:57 And, it really shows you the syntax by color. Of all the commands and if you spill it wrong, it you know it It catches it for you.
19:21:10 So, I like that and, One another one called Tech Shop. And so I tutor algebra and and have equation.
19:21:21 It's I like to write a equations in PowerPoint, but PowerPoint is Not good at typesetting, you know, the radical sign and the, integral sign and the differentials.
19:21:34 And things of that nature, but tech shop does it perfectly and then you can copy and paste the answer into PowerPoint.
19:21:44 So it's, a real handy tool.
19:21:46 There's a copied in. Does it copy and is edible or is it is it an image?
19:21:53 No, let's see, is it an image? It's PDF and then it makes a PDF out of the out of the clipboard.
19:22:04 And you paste the PDF. Image into your into, so it's not really text.
19:22:13 You can't really edit it except in tech shop.
19:22:17 Okay.
19:22:18 And but once you get the final looking equation, it looks gorgeous. Absolutely the fonts and size ratios are just perfect for like it was a professionally typeset page.
19:22:33 So it really is a handy tool. And it's free. It's in it's in the Apple store.
19:22:41 As well as BB edit, both of them are in the Apple store.
19:22:44 The guy who invented. Pdf i can't remember his name right now he's one of the founders of Adobe.
19:22:53 He founded Adobe in order to develop type setting languages for mathematics. So Adobe now is known for art but He was a mathematician and he wanted to typeset mathematics.
19:23:07 And Nicholas, who does all the programming books. He invented the, a language specifically.
19:23:18 For typesetting to type set his books.
19:23:19 Oh, yeah, another thing, I noticed about, tech shop allows you to type set a movie, an MP 4 file into the page.
19:23:32 But if it becomes so PDF Apple's preview will not. Not show the movie, it just shows a blank spot, but Adobe's reader will play the movie perfectly.
19:23:47 On a slide show. It's a really, has a bitter, more advanced feature than preview in that respect.
19:23:58 Is it available for, iPad as well as Mac or just Mac?
19:24:03 No, it's, both Mac and iPad.
19:24:09 But it's, but I, it would be better with a keyboard in the iPad rather than trying to do it on the keyboard in the iPad rather than trying to do it on the screen with your finger.
19:24:18 Yeah, yeah.
19:24:19 Yeah.
19:24:22 Yeah, I use it on my laptop. I don't use it on my iPad.
19:24:28 Anyway, that's my 2. Go ahead. If you've got a couple more run.
19:24:34 Huh. Cool.
19:24:32 Yeah. I have a couple or I have one anyway. A, from the library.
19:24:36 Oh, there you go. Yeah, go for it.
19:24:42 You can download books either, audio or, written. Just depends on what you want and they don't have everything, but they have a lot.
19:25:03 It's L.
19:24:56 And I listen to books all the time. So that is one of my favorite apps. And it's LIDB Y.
19:25:07 And just, you know, go to the, to the local library, North Olympic Library system and you can download it.
19:25:14 And then you're good to go.
19:25:17 Question, would the apples book app? Read it or no?
19:25:24 No, Libby is it's own self-contained thing. The reason why, libraries endorse it is that, it allows them to deal with copyright because you don't actually keep the book unlike Apple's books. You don't actually keep the book unlike Apple's books. You actually own the book with Libby.
19:25:43 You basically check it out.
19:25:44 Right, and you have a time limit to read it. And you could get on a list.
19:25:50 You can, you know, sign up for books and, it will tell you when they're available and then you can download it if you want or you can.
19:25:58 Tell them to hold it for another week or whatever. I'm on a long list of different books and they come and, you generally have 2 weeks to read them.
19:26:10 So, you know. There you go.
19:26:13 So, and if you don't get it read in that length of time, then do you have to wait your turn again?
19:26:21 I assume before you can get it again and read the rest.
19:26:21 You know, I, it depends on the book. I've had some that, came close to the due date and they were automatically renewed.
19:26:30 Oh.
19:26:30 And, and yeah, so I don't know. I just I have not run into that problem.
19:26:39 Yeah, Olympic is. It's a very kind and warm and fuzzy library system.
19:26:46 I had one. Book checked out that, My mother got ill and I was busy for a couple of weeks.
19:26:55 And I was gonna go to the library to renew it and I looked at my email and the library system renewed it automatically.
19:27:04 Wow.
19:27:04 So. It doesn't work. It doesn't work that way all the time, but, They're definitely a warm and fuzzy library system.
19:27:15 I probably so. Yeah, probably.
19:27:17 Sir, and you can return them early, if you finish it. I mean, there's a button for that and it will show you how many people are waiting for the book.
19:27:12 Maybe it depends on if there's somebody else waiting for it or something or pretty good.
19:27:33 Have you found that the selection is extensive?
19:27:39 Yeah, for the most part, and, you know popular books tend to get there and You can always also do kind of like a wish list.
19:27:55 So II mean, there are some books that I would, that, I would like to read that they don't have.
19:28:03 But, you know. So it goes.
19:28:09 Libby.
19:28:11 Yeah.
19:28:11 I'm putting, I'm putting the link. To the library system for this. Into the chat right now.
19:28:19 Okay.
19:28:22 Oh, somebody asked me for the sign in for the meeting. So let's see if I can put that.
19:28:28 Getting good.
19:28:28 It's up there.
19:28:30 It's up there. Yeah.
19:28:32 If they came in late, they might not see it.
19:28:39 So I shall. See if I can copy it. Put it back in again.
19:28:52 And I'm having trouble with copying.
19:29:04 It doesn't like me today. How are you?
19:29:09 Lauren, I just put it. I just put it in.
19:29:13 Oh, okay. Good. Thank you.
19:29:16 Right after Libby. The Forums. That's the
19:29:24 Yeah, my copy pay skills seem to be defective today. I was I was using my I have a wireless keyboard for my computer.
19:29:34 And it's charged via a lightning cable. And I forget that and yesterday I was typing away and in mid paragraph it stopped working and I couldn't figure out why and I thought there was something wrong with the computer.
19:29:50 And then I thought, you know, it's probably been a while since I charged it.
19:29:53 Sometimes those little advantages. Of electronics fail you because usually your fault, but Anyone else?
19:30:06 Kathleen wants to talk about timer.
19:30:10 Kathleen.
19:30:15 So, oh my. Watch. I have something called timer and I use that all the time.
19:30:24 It's useful for like if I'm doing laundry and I'll. Set it so it'll remind me when things are done or I'll use it to set a time to leave if I'm have to and I'm in the middle of doing something will do that.
19:30:39 But I, you can both put in a custom time or you can select from existing. Times
19:30:57 Okay.
19:30:52 They're pre-selected. Just like. I need to put it on the opposite side of my wrist.
19:31:01 There are. Pre-selected times that you can pick. Right.
19:31:06 And I realize they're probably upside down, but all you have to do is just tap it.
19:31:10 And then it'll set one of those times or if you. When it for 45 min and you can type in 45 min the other thing, a related thing is, the reminders.
19:31:26 Reminders, the reminders is to remind to go get gasoline to go do this, that the other thing, but you can set up a reminder to not only tell you what time to go do this, like do this on Tuesday.
19:31:41 You can also set it with GPS coordinates. So if you go into reminders, doesn't work so well on your Mac if you're if you have a desktop machine.
19:31:48 But if you have a I found you can go into reminders and you can tell it a place. So it'll remind you when you get to Costco to buy cat food.
19:31:56 In our case that wouldn't do us much good because we don't have a cat but but it'll when you get to that location it reminds you that you're supposed to do that so go to Walgreens and pick up your prescription go to QFC and remember to get milk.
19:32:11 And as you approach that and it'll it'll buzz your wrist on your on your.
19:32:17 Watch or your phone about I'd say half a block to a block away it'll buzz it to remind you to that there's something there that you want to do.
19:32:28 So between reminders and the timer. And then just alarms that, you know, have an alarm to do something.
19:32:37 Those are probably some of the most commonly used. Tools that we use on our iPhones and Apple watches
19:32:46 Dimers also has a favorites. You can set favorites and it'll have another little separate list for them too.
19:32:52 Yeah, and Kathleen just reminded me. When I said that the buzz is the phone, it'll rattle of phone back and forth.
19:33:00 But if you're watching your risk will vibrate. When you're when you're using apple maps to go someplace and you're supposed to turn left Do your watch can't tell you that it's going that you need to turn left, but it'll vibrate tell you that you're supposed to
19:33:16 turn. And I recently found out that it'll that it has a signal for left and right. So it's like if it's going one direction that's one vibrate if you're going the other directions too.
19:33:29 I don't happen to remember what those are because as Kathleen will tell you I never bother to follow directions anyway.
19:33:35 Oh.
19:33:35 Bye.
19:33:35 It.
19:33:38 I don't know how do you tell, when you're looking at an app. And the Apple app.
19:33:44 Store whether it costs money or not.
19:33:48 If it's in the app store, it should list the price next to it. If it cost money.
19:33:53 Well, if you already own it, but. Yeah, but it varies if you're trying to get something.
19:33:59 Yeah.
19:34:01 What?
19:33:59 Yeah, if you already own it, it just says it changes to open. But if you don't own it, then it'll show you either a get or it'll tell you the price.
19:34:11 Okay.
19:34:13 And also you can read down it if you're afraid that there might be a subscription involved, which I don't like subscriptions.
19:34:20 I have a bunch, but I don't like them. But if you read down through the description of the thing.
19:34:26 It'll have a section on if it's compatible with your device and all that sort of thing.
19:34:31 In there it says, price or cost or something like that and it'll say yes or no.
19:34:39 And then or maybe it says paid but anyway if you click on that it'll tell you you know like 4 99 a month or $60 a year or, you know, that sort of thing.
19:34:50 So.
19:34:48 Yeah, this is. This is an app on the app store for your phone called Chart Maker and right under the button that says get.
19:34:59 It says in tiny, tiny little print in app purchases, which means that you can you can download it for free.
19:35:07 And sometimes the only thing you can do free is to download it, but in others you can at least get to play with it and decide whether or not it's something you want to spend money on.
19:35:20 It's kind of the difference between acrobat reader and acrobat. You can download acrobat Reader from Adobe for free, but you can't use it to create new PDFs, acrobat at the full version of acrobat you can.
19:35:34 You can create PDFs, you can edit PDFs, you can do all kinds of things with PDFs with acrobat reader you can just read it and some of the free versions that's basically what you can do.
19:35:44 You can look at. Something else that was done with that application, but you can't create something new or they add extra feed it choose like with with Strava I was mentioning that it'll allow me to go out and bike around the neighborhood and draw me a map and tell me the change in elevation my speed and all kinds of
19:36:04 things. But if I sign up for the pro version, it does more. Now, I personally can't think of what else that I want to do.
19:36:16 Yeah.
19:36:14 So I don't know what I'm missing, but. You.
19:36:23 Yeah
19:36:18 Sometimes the pro version of those things How are you to compete against other people? You know, so you can see all their times and your times and in real time.
19:36:28 You might have noticed from the hair on my head what little I have. Competition biking is not really in my.
19:36:37 Yeah.
19:36:39 List of ambitions. So. The free version is fine for me.
19:36:45 Sure.
19:36:40 Okay. I have another set of them I can share. We have Tide Pro, which, if you're wondering, oh, the tides.
19:36:53 I wonder if it's coming in or going out and you can pull it up on your phone and it'll tell you.
19:36:58 What time the highs and lows are and how far it's gonna be and all that sort of thing.
19:37:05 What was his name?
19:37:08 Right, pro.
19:37:06 I'd pro. And I believe it was free, but I'm not certain it might have been 99 cents or something like that, but there's no subscription.
19:37:16 Okay, and then next one is, relative for us. It's watch duty.
19:37:24 And that one is a wildfire maps and alerts app.
19:37:29 Hmm. Yeah.
19:37:30 That might be a good one to have around. Since we live so close to the to the National Forest.
19:37:38 That was watch duty and it was free as well. Then there's another one called the ferry friend.
19:37:46 Probably a lot of this if you use it very, very much. Just goes the watchdog.
19:37:52 The site and get your information there, but fairy friend has a really easy interface to let you see the cameras and, over the lines, you know, in Georgia.
19:38:03 What's going on? Of course, what times they are, how far they're behind if there's any alerts that you need to be aware of.
19:38:10 And it's really nice user interface.
19:38:15 Speaking of things, for tides, I use something called, What does it call?
19:38:23 It's called. Ocean watch and ocean watch. Gives you tides and such And the reason why I use that is that, it allows me to put a complication.
19:38:39 A complication is an extra feature. On my Apple watch so that I can just glance on my watch and it tells me that the tide right now is 8.1 feet above.
19:38:48 Slack tied and it's going down. And why do I have this on my watch? Because I'm a photographer and the kinds of photographs that you can take at low tide are very different than the kinds that you can take at high tide.
19:39:02 So if I want to go take pictures of birds, low tides great. If I want to go take pictures of waves, high tides, is much more interesting to me.
19:39:10 It just it's on my watch so I can look at it and say, oh, I should head to the beach.
19:39:15 Let's go.
19:39:15 So do you use photo pills by any chance?
19:39:19 Pardon me?
19:39:23 No.
19:39:20 Photo pills PILL S. That has to do with Pardon me. Oh, sorry.
19:39:30 Well, the one I have is called, Ocean Watch.
19:39:25 What was in? What was the name of the tide? You motion watch okay thanks
19:39:36 Yeah, photo pills helps you set up all for it used to be just for, eclipses and times of the moon and where to be and what you could expect to see from that position and so on.
19:39:52 Exponentially is wonderful. It's I believe it's free but if it isn't there is no.
19:40:01 Okay.
19:40:00 No subscription but it just gives you all kinds of information about pre-setting up locations and you know if you wanted to get that mountain peak, so that the moon is coming up right behind it.
19:40:15 For instance, you know, it helps you plan all that stuff. And what time to be there and the exact coordinates and all that sort of stuff.
19:40:22 It's wonderful. It has a lot of. Teaching type stuff in it to a lot of extra videos they just really go the extra mile for everything it does and that wasn't even on my list to share.
19:40:33 Well, it's definitely on my list now.
19:40:36 Oh yeah, yeah, you'll like it.
19:40:36 What was the name of it? What's the name?
19:40:40 A photo pills. 2 separate words.
19:40:42 Hills.
19:40:51 Okay, so let's see. There's one called Altimeter. Yeah, works just like an altimeter on an airplane.
19:41:00 Are you on a small airplane? You know, looks like that has that dial and it shows you what your altitude is.
19:41:05 It's, It's a really handy one as well. Another one that I really, really like is called peak finder.
19:41:16 Okay.
19:41:15 PEAK is in mountains and finder. And it allows you to hold your phone or your iPad up against or towards in the direction of the hills and it will make an outline along those hills and show you the name each one of those hills no matter 3 layers if it's hidden from you it won't
19:41:33 Oh.
19:41:36 show you like for instance it just shows the mountains that are if you look out there and if you can see a mountain that will be listed, but if it's hidden by another something, then it won't show you.
19:41:49 It still hasn't in its database, but it won't show you. It'll tell you the names and I believe the altitudes and this works.
19:41:56 As far as I can tell, anywhere in the world because I was in Australia and it certainly worked there.
19:42:02 Austria doesn't have any mountains, so you know.
19:42:06 Yeah.
19:42:04 Yeah, they have hills. Oh, they have glass mountains. That's mountains they have there. They're not mountains like we're used to, but.
19:42:14 Yeah.
19:42:24 Yeah.
19:42:15 So, KAY, another one along with Peak Finder is. Ship Finder and that one allows you to look out in the bay and you see a ship out there that you're interested in or wondering about.
19:42:32 You can point your phone towards it and it will do a good job of identifying it where it's from, where it's going to, how much it weighs, what speed it's doing.
19:42:43 It's, all kinds of information and marine traffic is another similar one to that. And marine traffic is another similar one to that. Only it gives you even more information about them.
19:42:55 Only it gives you an head down or a airplane view of what you're seeing rather than looking straight out at at it.
19:43:02 Okay.
19:43:03 And, oh the Let's see. So there's another one like, finder that I like even better, but I don't trust there's 2 things about it.
19:43:16 It's called the 3D map and peak ID. He could buy a peak visor. Now this is 3 49 a month or $30 a year, but it's It's country of origin.
19:43:32 I believe it was China. I'm not sure now maybe. Maybe Korea or South Korea or something.
19:43:39 I can't remember now, but anyway, it gave me pause before I wanted to continue using it once I found that out because I don't trust you know, some of those companies that are associated with web type things.
19:43:54 Yeah.
19:43:55 Okay, so somebody else wanted to take a turn. I got more if you want.
19:44:02 Yes, Paul.
19:44:02 Hi, just along the lines of, reminders when you were talking about those. I find that one of the calendar is Apple's calendar app.
19:44:11 One of the best features of it. Is to set alerts which are reminders. Which you can have pop up.
19:44:20 It'll pop up on the lock screen. I tell you, you know, I usually set it for a day in advance and an hour in advance.
19:44:28 Default
19:44:28 They'll pop up on the lock screen and remind you, you know, tell you what the appointment is and where and whatever information you put in there about it.
19:44:36 I find that very helpful.
19:44:39 The same thing.
19:44:38 You can also set traffic up for it if you have a location, put in for your appointment is.
19:44:48 It'll tell you what time you have to leave based on what the traffic is. I find it helpful.
19:44:52 Okay.
19:44:53 It also lets you set up family accounts. So when I put something on the calendar, the default for me is for my family.
19:45:05 So therefore it automatically goes to my wife's inbox for her calendar and then it puts it on her calendar too but she can you know verify that she got it by checking it off and that sort of thing but But then we know when one of us already has something planned for the day or the week or the month or whatever.
19:45:20 Yeah.
19:45:21 That also works with carplay. Have I got an appointment with the address in the appointment on the calendar?
19:45:29 Get in your car. Whatever time it is be it tells you the travel time that it's gonna take to get there and if you get in your car within that travel time it'll actually automatically put up the directions and says you've got and you don't even have to type it into the into the carplay.
19:45:49 It just comes up and you just say go and it just starts the directions from the calendar on your iPhone.
19:45:57 So that is an amazing. Thing and it also, like you said, Everybody in your family uses the one calendar and so it goes on my wife's iPhone automatically and my laptop automatically and the iPad automatically.
19:46:13 That's great, great application.
19:46:13 Yep. Yeah, yeah, they did good.
19:46:18 Yeah.
19:46:24 No, go ahead.
19:46:25 No.
19:46:19 I have a question. It's actually, Am I interrupting somebody? I was curious from everybody who's here tonight and online.
19:46:31 A lot of people, well I know Lawrence is a big one that refers a lot to his Apple watch and all the things he uses.
19:46:41 I was just curious from everybody that's on here now. That has an Apple Watch, what was your biggest reason for getting it and was it worth it?
19:46:51 Do you feel like Was it fall detection? Was it that you can answer your phone from it? What made you like it or was it worth it to you?
19:47:03 I got it on the basis of what Kathleen had told us a couple of different times. And,
19:47:11 Like, is that a lot of it the medical alert kind of things? At the
19:47:15 Well, I've been I've been I've been considering. Getting an alert device in case I fell in the shower or between the kitchen and the living room.
19:47:31 And I could never make up my mind. So I thought if this does it. I'm in.
19:47:38 So. When I had to upgrade my phone before a Verizon turned my old flip phone into a brick.
19:47:45 I was already a deal on the SE second generation, which is what I got. So it the, second generation.
19:47:56 Does not do all the things that Kathleen had. Told us about. Because it's well, I get it's not an ultra.
19:48:07 I wasn't gonna spring for an old trip and I wanted to test the waters. But something I now do every day.
19:48:14 Is second or third thing in the morning. Certainly when I started my first cup of coffee. I check.
19:48:23 To see how I slipped. How many steps I took yesterday? If my heart rate went below a certain number of beats per minute, which I have preset.
19:48:40 And then there's something else that I always look at. But I can't remember.
19:48:47 It will tell me. If I've been exposed to sound levels over a hundred decibels.
19:48:54 So when the Noisy pickup at the end of the truck goes by and I happen to be sitting on the front porch.
19:49:01 It will record that I had a high high high rate of it high level of exposure. So, I, it's doing more things now.
19:49:13 The watches then. 2 months ago even. I think because of updates to the iPhone operating system.
19:49:24 I still haven't figured out when I'm paying Verizon for exactly. For the IWAT connection.
19:49:33 So It's half a mystery to me, but I do like the feedback. For the heartbeat rate.
19:49:42 Overnight. And number of steps. Records that but that's from the iPhone so if I get up in the middle of the night I have to be carrying the iPhone.
19:49:55 In order for it to record and transmit to the watch later. That's all.
19:50:01 And the part of what you're paying for it. Like on mine II don't have it so that I can use it as a phone.
19:50:10 I know.
19:50:10 It either has to be connected via Bluetooth or on my wife I hear at home because I didn't want another.
19:50:18 Yeah.
19:50:16 As Ron was talking about subscription. Something, I mean, between Netflix and the magazine subscriptions and apps.
19:50:25 I mean, it's just endless and you can end up with hundreds of dollars just on subscriptions and you don't end up using them all and I just find a pointless.
19:50:34 So
19:50:33 Yeah, I think I need to talk to Verizon about. Taking something off my charge because I'm not using the I haven't got it connected to function as a phone.
19:50:46 To watch.
19:50:46 Actually, you do and that's what you're paying for. You might not use it that way, but it's all set up to use.
19:50:55 Yeah, yeah. I don't either. Yeah.
19:50:53 If you're paying for it. I don't pay for mine. It's Yeah, I just have it so that if my phone is within proximity to my watch, which typically they are or if I'm at home and it's on Wi-Fi, well then it just picks it up throughout the
19:51:12 house.
19:51:14 So then.
19:51:12 Yeah, same with mine. No. And then sometimes I answer on it. It's not great, but it does okay, you know, as far as answering with it.
19:51:22 Right, and if it's somebody that you really need to talk to, it's enough for them to know that you'll call them right back or yeah.
19:51:29 Yeah.
19:51:30 Anybody else have one that can? Enlighten.
19:51:35 Kathleen got her watch first because when she saw the keynote on it. She had me order one immediately.
19:51:45 And, when my mother's my mother started living with us, we bought one for her because one reason why she was living with us is she had fallen at her apartment in Bremerton and broken her leg.
19:52:02 So we talked her into, yeah, to having the watches for fall detection, but she also on her own.
19:52:11 She figured out that she could check her blood oxygen level and she didn't have to stick the little thing on her fingers.
19:52:18 She could just do it from the watch. And she could check her heart rate and EKG and all the rest of this, from the phone and She found that fascinating.
19:52:28 And, recently they updated the, Apple health app. Which is on the phone. So that you can put your entire medication schedule into Apple health.
19:52:40 And if you do that, then the watch will prompt you when you need to take pills. And she thought that was kind of cute.
19:52:48 I didn't know to do that. My mother told me about that. So. The integration between the phone and the watch is really quite high when it comes to health apps And this fall.
19:53:00 The next version of the iPad, operating system will have the health app on it. Right now it's limited to just the phone and the watch, but this fall they're bringing it to the iPad as well which for me is useful because I have a keyboard for the iPad and I'd much
19:53:18 rather type a lot of that stuff into my iPad than sit there and poke at it one thing with my with my finger on this stupid little keyboard So, the integration is really quite high.
19:53:30 Having said that Kathleen. Told me to buy this phone for the health benefits. What I use it for mostly, I use it for voice memos.
19:53:40 I use it for weather. I use it for the tides. I use it for the activity. I use it for Strava for mapping things out.
19:53:50 Those are the thing I also use it. I have a complication here. Tell me the time in London.
19:53:57 My daughter lives in England and if I want to color up on Facetime. Right now it's.
19:54:02 3 34 in the morning. So probably not a good. 3 54 in the morning.
19:54:07 Not a good time to color. So the what I use the watch for is mostly everything except for the health stuff because the health stuff it just keeps track of that and then occasionally bugs me about it if I'm not doing something.
19:54:20 But like the, for example, the with the, noise level. It never really occurred to me to worry about noise because I'm not.
19:54:29 Wild about loud noises anyway. But, coming down Fifth Avenue, as I mentioned earlier, they're doing construction on Fifth Avenue and my watch buzz to tell me, hey, it's too loud.
19:54:41 Go someplace else.
19:54:43 Yeah.
19:54:47 Yeah.
19:54:48 Yeah.
19:54:52 Yes.
19:54:50 I have a question. When, as an example that, A peak finder, I went.
19:54:58 And took a look at that and it wants your Apple ID. 2. Download that.
19:55:07 Is that normal?
19:55:08 Yes, it is because what you're doing, think about it from a security standpoint. You are taking something from the Apple Store and you're putting it onto your device.
19:55:18 And so Apple wants to know, are you really the person that it should be sending it to? And you want to know that it's trusted.
19:55:29 So you were telling Apple to trust your device and you're telling your device to trust Apple to transfer it onto your phone.
19:55:34 That the onto your phone or onto your Mac or whatever. So it's always gonna ask you for your Apple ID.
19:55:40 And your Apple ID is something that. It's something that you should definitely note should know what that is.
19:55:47 But this, I thought for the password.
19:55:53 Yes.
19:55:51 Yeah, that's that too. Let me know. Ask you for your idea and your password.
19:55:58 But once you get that locked into your device, then you don't have to put it in every time.
19:56:01 I understand but is I guess I'm leery about putting out my Apple ID and password on to, you know, into an app that I know nothing about who created that or anything.
19:56:14 Right.
19:56:14 Well, yes, but you're not sending it. You're not sending it to Apple ID and password to the developer.
19:56:21 You're sending your Apple ID and password to Apple. And that's perfectly logical because they run the Apple ID service.
19:56:29 So. They should know what you who you are and you should know who they are.
19:56:32 Sure, as long as it's coming from Apple. Yeah.
19:56:37 And all of your apps that you get at least currently, all your apps that you get for your phone and your iPad and your and your watch will all be coming from Apple.
19:56:49 The Apple store. Sounds like in the future maybe federal laws or at least, European.
19:56:57 Maybe the campaigns.
19:56:58 Yeah, they're, changing there so that might make it happen here too. I hope not because that's one of the big things about Apple is their their security is so good because they control everything and they weed out the bad stuff.
19:57:14 Thanks.
19:57:28 Dictated it, man.
19:57:12 Yeah. This, fall for example. The new I'm guessing but I'm guessing that the new Apple phones when they come out this fall are gonna have a USBC connector because the European Union said that Yeah, they dictated it and since it's gonna be cheaper for Apple to make one version of the
19:57:36 phone. I'm guessing we're gonna get USBC connectors on. Iphones as well.
19:57:41 They should have done that with 14 already because when my I got my iPad. Pro, I don't know, a couple of years ago it already had the C.
19:57:52 So I was already I don't know. It's just stupid to have 2 cables like what I can't use the same cable for my iPad as I can from my phone.
19:58:00 I am aware of that problem because I experienced that as well.
19:58:05 Probably daily.
19:58:08 The other nice advantage, this is completely off the topic of apps, but the
19:58:13 The USB C connectors. Assuming that you have the right kind of charger will be able to charge your devices faster because it supports more current than the lightning cable.
19:58:26 The lightning cable, it looks like it's just a wire, but it's actually got electronics inside of it.
19:58:31 That among other things keep your device from getting over charged and USBC has that as well, but it's for a different.
19:58:39 Different standard and so you can It'll charge things faster. We found that out. When we have a Apple Watch charger.
19:58:48 For the original Apple Watch and I and I got a. Whatever my watch is. 8 or something. I don't remember what my watch was and it came with a USBC charger and it charges in about half the time is the old one.
19:59:03 The old ones based upon a different version of the USB standard and The new one, it just charges it faster, which is which is cool.
19:59:12 Anyone want to talk about apps?
19:59:15 I just wanted to ask Steve what he was. When you mentioned getting together outside of smug in regards to maybe specific apps or Could you elaborate more on what you meant?
19:59:29 Well, some users groups have. What they call special interest groups within the user group. Which are people who for example, might wanna learn more about the watch.
19:59:41 Or in my case more about I movie. And those groups could elect to meet. Outside of the regular meeting time.
19:59:53 And on different days or you know, different places, that sort of thing. But they'd be focused on.
19:59:59 Whatever that special interest is whether it's the watch or the calendar maps you know, photography. That's sort of thing.
20:00:07 Hmm.
20:00:08 I was just thinking that you know, we're about to the point where we could have in person meetings.
20:00:13 So. I mean, I'm fine doing the Zoom Meetings for our regular meetings. But if anybody was in for me interested in meeting outside of our regular meeting time to focus specifically on a movie, I'd be all for it.
20:00:31 Because I wanna learn more about it.
20:00:31 Yeah, one of the first, smug meetings that I came to. Whereas a gentleman, I don't remember his name.
20:00:39 Who came and talked about I movie. I was a little bit disappointed because he limited his talk to I movie on the iPad, which is
20:00:48 Kind of a subset of a subset and so it wasn't as useful as II would have thought if he demonstrated it on the on the Mac but I'm all for I'm all in favor of that sort of thing if we come up with some topics we can either just announce it to everyone and we on a different day
20:01:10 or we can make that the meeting topic. And I also like the idea of having more in-person ones.
20:01:16 The in person meeting we had at this started June, there weren't that many people there, but they weren't the same people who came to smug meeting.
20:01:28 So I got a different audience and that's that's useful. A lot of people are very uncomfortable.
20:01:35 With virtual meetings. A lot of people have been in government. Associate virtual meetings with committee meetings.
20:01:44 And those who weren't in government associate virtual meetings with being kind of a poor TV they they'd rather talk to people in person.
20:01:55 Also the kinds of questions that I get. Here in in a Zoom Meeting you ask a question everybody hears it But in in person meetings, people come up afterwards and they say, I did something stupid on my computer.
20:02:10 Can you help? And they'll say that to me privately, but they don't want to say that to everybody.
20:02:17 So it's a different type of. It's a different type of atmosphere for an in person meeting.
20:02:25 So I have a question for you, Lawrence. Since I'm gonna be the one that has this.
20:02:32 Stupid problem. Something happened. Make a long story short. I had an old Mac Mini.
20:02:40 We're going back. My daughter's 18, so maybe 15 years. 16 years and
20:02:49 The somebody. And will not mention names. Took the hard drive out and then put the newer a bigger hard drive in it.
20:02:59 And then that hard drive got taken out. And now It looks like World War III. So I have our I have hard internal hard drives.
20:03:10 That aren't in the Mac mini anymore. And I probably have. Not so I have external ones and ones that were actually in the Mac mini that Don't have a case so I can't just like plug them in with the USB into a computer to see what's on it.
20:03:30 Yes.
20:03:28 Does that make sense what I'm trying to say? Like II need it, a shell to put it in.
20:03:35 They're pretty common.
20:03:34 No. You need that.
20:03:36 I'm sorry? What was that, Ron?
20:03:38 They're very common. You can you can find them and they're easy to use. Depending on the interface that your hard drive has, it will have a.
20:03:48 25 pins back there or it will have some other interface on the on the back of the drive and it.
20:03:55 Plugs into that and then on the other side as a USB. So it's really easy to use.
20:04:00 Some of them either even have multiple. Different interfaces that you can plug it into either that 25 PIN or 12 PIN you know depending on what it is but they're made for plugging in a a loose hard drive so that you can get the data off.
20:04:17 Or you can use them that way if you want to.
20:04:17 Yeah, they. I have, I call it a, a disc toaster and I can't.
20:04:25 Oh.
20:04:24 Show it to you right now because it's plugged into a different computer, but it looks like a small toaster and you take a bare hard drive and you just plug it in.
20:04:32 And, it makes a connection. The, thing is a little on the expensive side like 60 70 bucks, but I use it all the time so I don't care.
20:04:44 You can also go out and get inexpensive cases that are like 50 bucks and you put it into the into the case.
20:04:50 And you're basically building your own external drive that way. A good place to look for things like this is other world computing.
20:05:02 Bye.
20:04:59 Type it in as 3 different words and look for drive cases and drive docs and it'll give you a variety of those to play with.
20:05:10 But.
20:05:10 So my question though is So I understand what you're telling me, but I am so novice to it because I am really not a desktop user at all.
20:05:23 I'm a mobile user and I don't even have. a desktop computer.
20:05:36 Thank you.
20:05:29 So what I was wondering, is there anybody, Lawrence that could help me or Ron? Or Steve, I don't know.
20:05:41 That would be willing to help me take all my external hard drives that some were in computers that some were in computers that do not have a case.
20:05:52 I don't know to help me take all my external hard drives that some were in computers that do not have a case.
20:05:55 I don't know how to order a case. I don't know what I'm looking for. You're talking pins.
20:05:56 I kind of know what pins mean So I have like a bag full of these external hard drives terabytes and terabytes and they've been copied and copied and put on here and somebody says, oh, all your pictures are all on here.
20:06:10 But then something happens and they're not all on there. I just literally want all these 10 items put on one.
20:06:18 Hard drive that I can say it's all here and I don't have to worry if I lose any of these externals that I have one.
20:06:31 Okay.
20:06:29 One external hard drive that I can plug into a computer and then I can try to figure out how I'm gonna sort my pictures.
20:06:38 But I'm totally lost.
20:06:38 Okay, nice and interesting. Is that if you were to pick one of the drives. So that I can, well, pick 2 if they're different sizes, but, physically size, like you might have, 5, 3 and a half and a, and a 2 and a half drive.
20:06:58 Pick up.
20:06:57 Wouldn't they have to be the same size if they were from the same Mac Mini? Internally.
20:07:04 Okay.
20:07:02 Yes. Well, yes, but you see the original Mac mini had a had a 3 and a half inch drive and then later on they had smaller ones because they were more.
20:07:11 Oh, it's a real old one. I mean, we're going back like when the Mac Mini first came out.
20:07:17 Okay, you need to you need 2 things one you need to provide the drive for me to play with and see if I could do it.
20:07:26 Ucsb, you need to get a USB flash drive stick and this is Where's my camera?
20:07:33 I see.
20:07:33 Yeah.
20:07:32 There's my camera. This one has a USB end on it and the reason why a USBC end on it you can go into Amazon and order them.
20:07:41 But get one big enough to hold what you think. That needs to be rescued out of the drive.
20:07:47 And if I can get the drive to boot and if it's that old, it's kind of F if I can get the drive.
20:07:53 To boot, I can copy the contents onto USB drive. I can then give you the USB drive and you can plug it into your iPad.
20:08:02 Yeah, I have a drive like that that's at least 2 TB if not 4.
20:08:07 Might be 4 and it's tiny little thing and it just plugged into USBC on one end and then the US.
20:08:18 USBA.
20:08:14 USB something else on the other end and I have to look into my yeah and I have that plugged into the back of my Mac.
20:08:24 But if you give me a, a flash drive, it's got a USbc and make a guess as to how big you need like if 256, gigs, 500 gigs, you can get them on Amazon.
20:08:37 And then give me the flash drive, give me the drive and I'll see if I can get stuff off of it.
20:08:42 But that way you don't have, I can give you back the drive, but I can also give you the flash drive, which you can plug into your mother's computer or into your iPad and do with it whatever you wish.
20:08:56 Okay.
20:08:56 And that way you don't have to worry about what's on the drive anymore. And by the way, if you ever take the drive out of an old machine, which I highly recommend that you do.
20:09:06 And if you're not gonna use it anymore. Go into your garage, take out a hammer and just beat it to death.
20:09:11 Okay, see it wasn't that it wasn't good anymore. It was that they were so tiny at the time.
20:09:18 That we bought or my it was actually my mom's old Mac mini that then it has
20:09:26 What did they have then maybe 60 GB was like in you were like wow that's a lot of memory.
20:09:32 Yeah.
20:09:32 I guess, 18 years ago or whenever that first Mac Mini came out and so there was never really anything wrong.
20:09:39 It's not that the computer didn't work anymore. You let, I mean as you can probably imagine, you let, I mean, as you can probably imagine, there's no more updating it.
20:09:47 I mean, as you can probably imagine, there's no more updating it. I mean, I don't know if snow leopard or something.
20:09:49 No, no.
20:09:50 No, I think Lion might have been the last thing that ran on it.
20:09:57 But we were still in the cats.
20:09:53 No, it, the, no, it probably not. Before we go. Before we go, 2 things I want you to think about what we do next month and I would like to show you a.
20:10:06 Some, strange apps. Because I am the strange type. So I'm going to share my screen while all of you think about what it is you'd like to do.
20:10:19 And. We're talking about BB edit. This is BB edit.
20:10:25 And I'm gonna drag something into BP edit and this is a bookmark let. And a bookmark that is just a text file that, you get.
20:10:37 When you you bring up a, you bring up a web browser. And the web browser goes someplace.
20:10:48 Such as this is.
20:10:53 And it doesn't like this because because I'm streaming at the same time. Anyway, this is this is website.
20:11:02 This is my website. I can come up here to the address bar and drag. The address of that website to your desktop.
20:11:11 Which you think, well, that's kind of silly. Why would you do that? Well, if I double click on it, I can launch that site again or if I drag it into BB edit.
20:11:19 It'll actually take the text. Out of that book market and show it on the screen in BB at it, but you can use it for programming a lot of other things. I use BB at it, but you can use it for programming a lot of other things.
20:11:32 I use BB at it often for stripping complicated formatting from word when I want to stick it up on a website because where it does weird things And so that's what BB at it looks like and it does a lot of useful things but I'm not going to show you that because it would be complicated.
20:11:48 I could spend a week talking about BB at it. Here, this is a finder window. And if you look at the dates, let's see if I can blow up the screen.
20:11:58 You look at the days, it says that these files are recorded December, 30 first, 2,047 at 108 in the morning.
20:12:08 Well, December, 30 first, 2,047 is a ways away. And I would like to get these to be a more current date.
20:12:16 Now these are from the. My, these are video for my church service on Sunday.
20:12:22 And I like to be able to find things by date and it's very difficult for me to know.
20:12:28 What date something is if the, if the USB drive says they all came from 2,047 however i can launch terminal which is a program that's running on your Mac all the time you don't know that it's there but just Just ask them and I'll show you the hard way.
20:12:47 If I come here and I say terminal and spotlight. At a launch terminal. And I can tell it to go to.
20:12:57 That folder And I'm gonna tell it to change directories to go to that folder by.
20:13:04 Cheating.
20:13:10 And now I'm in the folder. If I tell it to list the files and I'm doing this in Unix, so it looks strange, it says that this is December, the 30 first 2,047.
20:13:21 Not useful. I'm going to use a Unix command called Touch.
20:13:28 And I'm going to say touch and then an asterisk. And asterisk is a wild card, meaning.
20:13:34 No matter what you see, touch it. And what touch does is it changes the date. So instead of December 30 first 2,047 it says it's July eighteenth.
20:13:46 At 2011 8 11 And it did that because it knows what the time is when I said to touch it.
20:13:53 It just touches the files. So now when I come here it says that these were all created today, which is a lot.
20:14:02 Yeah.
20:13:59 It's decades closer than what it said before. Since I'm in terminal right now, I might as well.
20:14:07 Can I pull this up? Yes, I can. Term terminal is also useful for silly things such as I was born on Chinese Independence Day.
20:14:18 What day of the week was that? Well, there's a calendar built into the, computer.
20:14:24 So I just said, it gives me the current calendar July. If I say, Cal, 2023.
20:14:33 It'll give me the entire year at once 2023. Well. October tenth, 2,01911 was the Chinese Independence.
20:14:48 That's when China overthrew the Manchu dynasty and became a republic. So I can say.
20:14:54 1911. And it says that October tenth in 1911 was on a Tuesday. So if you want to know I was born on a Tuesday, assuming that I was born in 1911, I probably don't look quite that old, but You can also do it for strange things.
20:15:13 You can ask if you've never used calendar you can ask. Cal man and it gives you directions a man cow sorry and give you a manual for the calendar command And it's got things that you can do with the.
20:15:26 Calendar and there's a note here about September second, 1,752 and I'm not going to bother to.
20:15:33 Show you that I'm just going to Yeah. 1752. Because something interesting happens in 1752.
20:15:46 Look at September.
20:15:52 That is.
20:15:51 And then the week or something or. 2 weeks.
20:16:01 Yeah.
20:15:55 1, 2, 1415, 16. What happened in September of 1752.
20:16:07 Do they adopt the Gregorian calendar?
20:16:09 That's when they adopted the Gregorian calendar. And they did this because the, the Julian calendar was gaining increasingly out of date.
20:16:21 And, the, Pope Gregor adopted the Gregorian calendar for the Roman Catholic Church decades earlier, but because the Henry the eighth decided that the Church of England was going to be different.
20:16:37 The, UK was not. Actually the UK didn't exist at that time, but, England was not on the, Gregorian calendar was on the Julian calendar.
20:16:50 But in September of 1,752 they switched So you miss basically 2 weeks.
20:16:55 This caused huge amounts of problems because when did people die? But what happened to people who were born? Did people miss their birthdays?
20:17:06 If you were born on September third When was your birthday? People, this was cause all kinds of, of, hate and discontent and it took years for it to.
20:17:16 Change but it is an interesting you've got an infinite calendar you want to know what happens it said that that those files were from December, 2,047.
20:17:30 So let's type Cal. 2,047. And that's the calendar for the year 2,047.
20:17:38 You can even go get really fancy. 3,000 that's the calendar for the year 3,000 but that's built into your Mac.
20:17:49 All you have to do is learn how to use terminal. If you ever want to have a meeting where we talk about terminal.
20:17:55 I'm more than willing to. Get into that. But there are a couple other things that I thought.
20:18:02 Might be of interest. Let's go to. There is a.
20:18:09 A program that I use fairly often because I have a lot of files that I want to rename.
20:18:15 Like, this, this says record, 1080 p, 1 21 blah blah. That doesn't tell me what it is.
20:18:21 And I found a application called a Better Finder rename that allows me to rename all kinds of things, all kinds of files all at once.
20:18:32 So I come up here and I say, text and I tell it what to look for. And so I'm going to grab part of this.
20:18:40 File name.
20:18:45 Just part. Copy and I say action.
20:18:54 Replace text. I'm gonna tell it to look for. Record 1080 p. And say.
20:19:07 Trinity worship.
20:19:11 And I say. Apply that to all of these files and drag these files over here so it knows what I'm talking about.
20:19:22 And for whatever reason, it decides it's gonna take a while. And it gives me a preview.
20:19:28 It's going to used to say record 1080 p and now it's gonna say Trinity Worship, 12121, 22, not the best name in the world, but that's what I want to do.
20:19:38 I say perform rename. It says, do you really want me to do that rename all?
20:19:41 And it changes all 4. Now I don't do this when I'm only looking at 4 files.
20:19:47 But, when I go out. For example, I went out and took 253 photos of the port towns and arrow museum which is in Port Townsend.
20:20:02 I did that on Saturday. And so I have a whole bunch of images that just say it's image.
20:20:07 1,956, 1,957, 1958.
20:20:12 Doesn't tell me anything about it. With a better finder rename, I go through and I just batch load all of those and I say that's the, port towns and error museum.
20:20:22 1,953, 1,954 in 1,955.
20:20:25 So it tells me where I took the photographs. If you're a photographer it's much much much less trouble than trying to do all of that.
20:20:36 At once. At one at a time. So. Those are a couple of things that I use fairly often is the text of the terminal for doing strange things.
20:20:49 And better findery name for renaming huge numbers of things at once. The most that I ever did is I renamed 10,700 photos at once.
20:20:59 Even with this bash file or it took a while. But I didn't care because I was having lunch.
20:21:08 Okay, those are my contributions. Any questions?
20:21:15 Yes.
20:21:21 Yes!
20:21:16 I just had one more app that people might be interested in. It's called Sky View. And, Ron's probably heard of it.
20:21:26 Basically you're out there and you're looking at all these stars and you With the app on you point your Your phone at it and it will tell you the stars, the planets.
20:21:37 In the constellation so it's it's a it's a good fun one So in a street.
20:21:41 Yeah, a couple. A month ago, was you could see Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn at the same time.
20:21:53 But if you were wondering which of those 3 spots were which, you take Sky View and it say, this one down here is this, this one up there is that.
20:22:02 It's really useful. Application.
20:22:07 Yeah, Star Walk, 2 and solar. Walk to both. Do astronomy and astronomical things like that too where you hold up your screen and then It'll identify things for you.
20:22:23 There's also a satellite finder.
20:22:28 Yeah, I have almost 600. Have a on my phone. So that's why I had lots to share.
20:22:36 Oh, I wanted to mention one thing that's on your Mac that you probably don't even know that you have.
20:22:45 There used to be an app called Shazam. And it was useful when I was in the dentist office.
20:22:50 I was in the end of Dennis offices. In this really interesting song came up and I thought, what is that?
20:22:54 And I asked the people there and they said, I don't know. Well, which Shazam, you fire up Shazam and it listens for a few seconds and it'll tell you what the song is.
20:23:04 Oh.
20:23:05 Well, Shazam is now built into the iPhone. It's iPhone is.
20:23:09 Right down there, but you don't normally see it. You have to go into your iPhone and go to.
20:23:17 Control center and add it. And then you can add Shazam and it'll sit there and it'll just Listen to the music and tell you what it is that you're listening to.
20:23:38 No.
20:23:28 I use Shazam the app. Separately and it has a auto sham now. I don't know if that one you're talking about does but say for instance if you're gonna be I don't know, taking a shower and you might have time for 3 or 4 songs and, you wanna turn it on before
20:23:48 you get in there because you can't have it identified. You know, you can't hit the button to sham it.
20:23:52 Yeah.
20:23:52 If you hold down the button for an extra couple seconds, it'll turn on auto sham and then it will name all of the songs that it hears after that until you turn it off again.
20:24:04 Yeah.
20:24:07 So question, how did you how do you find that in?
20:24:16 Thatings, yeah.
20:24:12 You fire up, settings. And then you go to a control center and control center lists a whole bunch of things that you can do.
20:24:25 The, it's not called Shazam anymore. It's called sound recognition, but it, Yeah, we'll sit there and tell you what, song is it's playing.
20:24:39 Oh.
20:24:38 And the reason Apple did this is they But you can add things like, yeah, something to change text size, stop watches notes, low power home, catered access dark mode, announce notifications.
20:24:52 Don't ever do that. Alarms, accessibility shortcuts hearing, quick note, sound recognition, music recognition.
20:25:01 There we go.
20:24:59 Oh, it's music recognition. It's Shazan. And wallet voice memos all kinds of things you can add to your phone and you get to them just by pulling down from the top.
20:25:16 Yeah.
20:25:10 Right corner and they pop up and you pick what you want the one I probably use the most is the magnifying glass where somebody gives you a prescription and it's got all this fine print on it and you're trying to find out and then you and you read the fine print it says must not be used if you are suffering
20:25:30 rabies. Oh, okay. Nice to know. You know, if you like reading fine print.
20:25:36 Is that is Shazam, or sound recognition on the laptop as well?
20:25:41 I know it's on the phone. I don't think it's on the laptop.
20:25:45 No. No, I. They don't normally put things in Mac OS that requires that you move.
20:25:59 Right, right.
20:25:55 Because you know if you have a desktop machine it's kind of inconvenient. Oh, this one woman, she had a 27 inch imac and she had a problem at my user group.
20:26:06 In Washington state in Maryland. And I'm sitting in up on stage and there are 500 people there and this woman.
20:26:15 She was probably about the age that I am now. She came in struggling with this 27 inch imac and she did it because she wanted to show me what this 27 inch imac and she did it because she wanted to show me what happens when she started the machine.
20:26:27 So we should wait until after we did a presentation that went out and set it up in the lobby and all it was is that shoot you was getting this icon because the IMAX have a battery inside.
20:26:44 The battery was low. And so it thought that the time was sometime in 1993 or something and or I can't.
20:26:51 I don't remember what it was, but it was easy to diagnose it said, yeah, your battery is low and you did not need to.
20:26:57 The whole thing in here to show me that. So things that you things that are helpful when you move around are gonna be on the iPhone long before they're gonna be on the desktop.
20:27:11 Yes.
20:27:10 One, what was that? App called that you were talking about it's solar or something.
20:27:17 Solar Walk.
20:27:19 Walk. Okay. I have the sky view. But it'd be what like to try something new.
20:27:27 So solar walk. Okay.
20:27:28 Yeah, that's for things. And that one is more like your guy. You're sky one that you are.
20:27:40 And you. Yeah.
20:27:40 Nice. Yeah.
20:27:41 Sky view, yeah. A bunch of them and if you're really into astronomy there's called one called the red shift It's an awesome program, but it costs, it's probably 20 bucks or so.
20:27:57 I, if I remember, right? But, it's, it's really detailed.
20:28:01 Yeah, the rich.
20:28:02 Mine isn't so much that I want it detailed. My biggest problem is So I'm wherever I am pointing the camera at the sky.
20:28:10 Well, it sees all the constellations and it sees all the whatever. But I physically can't see it.
20:28:17 So I just wanna know if there's something that I can turn on or off. What my camera physically sees.
20:28:26 It actually will. Only show me that. Does that make sense?
20:28:29 Yeah. The speaking of which the skywalk and red shift you can also get it in a version that if you have a motorized telescope celestial telescope, you can hook the phone up to it, say, you know, show me.
20:28:49 Polaris or something and it'll It'll make the telescope. Whip the telescope around actually fairly slowly, but so it'll point at Polaris so that you don't have to.
20:29:04 I don't know if you've ever used a telescope where we have a there's a finder scope and you look in the finder scope forever and you think that's it and then you look at it with the big scope and nope that's not it and it drives you nuts.
20:29:13 With your phone using these programs. It'll actually control. The computers and motors on the telescope and point it in the right direction.
20:29:22 Hmm.
20:29:22 Really, cool stuff. I don't happen to have that kind of telescope, but
20:29:27 Yeah, I don't either, but I've always wanted one.
20:29:31 Yeah.
20:29:29 Yeah, but I'm in the same boat there. What are we doing next week? Next month.
20:29:36 Next week I have jury duty so I'm doing boring stuff.
20:29:45 You're gonna show us all the secrets about Apple's maps.
20:29:49 Yeah, you asked the question that I never really explored. He wanted to know if you can make custom maps in Apple Maps and.
20:29:57 I, it got me curious, cause you can do that in Google Maps, but I don't know.
20:30:01 I've been exploring that. I read some directions from people who said that they could do it, but then I actually went through the steps and what they were doing was.
20:30:11 Stupid and not terribly useful, but it's a worthwhile thing to have. When we were coming across country we made a custom Mac.
20:30:20 In Google Apps, I, Google Maps. So that. We want to stop in Vicksburg because I'm an historian and Vicksburg is where Grand essentially killed the Confederacy.
20:30:35 It even though it took the Confederacy a couple of years to realize that. And we stopped at Meteor Crater in, Arizona.
20:30:41 It's the largest intact meteor crater in on the planet and it smacked into Arizona and and left this really big golf divot.
20:30:52 So we just mapped out where we were going. And guessed on how long it was going to take and then we made reservations at motels.
20:31:01 Because it was the summer season. We didn't like being stranded. When we move to.
20:31:06 Maryland in, 1991. We did not make reservations and we spent one night in the parking lot of a Methodist church in Arizona.
20:31:32 Yeah.
20:31:20 Because all the hotels were full. And my daughter who was 5 at the time. Would bring that up for years afterwards about what a terrible experience that was and her parents really should have done a better job and you know so.
20:31:37 We had that same problem on the Oregon coast. We went down there and we, you know, just to spend the weekend spur of the moment type thing and we wound up having to drive all the way home.
20:31:51 We didn't live here. We lived over in. Okay.
20:31:54 Yep. Well, send me your ideas and what you'd like to do next month. And I'd like more than just the Apple Maps idea because I'm not sure I can.
20:32:07 Show you anything useful. But if I can, I will show you something with Apple Maps. Apple Maps is actually much much much better than it used to be but when it comes to making custom maps I don't know if it does that.
20:32:20 So. Send me your ideas on. What we can do in August. And if nobody has any ideas, we might just take August off and go chase.
20:32:35 Thank you. Good night.
20:32:40 Yes.
20:32:37 Hi.
20:32:40 Do they?
20:32:36 Good. Have a really long life.
20:32:48 Oh. Good night.
20:32:48 Okay. Okay. Yeah.
20:32:50 Thank you. Thank you, Lawrence.
20:32:53 Thank you, Lawrence.
20:32:52 Thank you.
20:32:54 Thank you
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Automating your Mac
Your Apple ID
Find My and AirTags
Home Security Cameras
Notes (i.e, the Apple Notes application)
Ventura
Securing Your Mac
Managing Your Files
Preview (i.e., Apple Preview application)
1Password
Your Passwords
Your Digital Legacy
Your Digital Storage
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Apple released great gobs of updates to various Mac, iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, and Apple Watch operating systems on July 24, 2023. If you haven’t updated yet, you should; the notices below are set out on Apple’s Security Announce mailing list (subscribe for free; go to https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/security-announce/ ).
Note: if you are not running the current version of any Mac, iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, or Apple Watch operating system, but your device supports the current version, update immediately. The patches to older operating systems are not comprehensive, and also do not provide the range of features and enhancements of the current operating system. If you are reluctant to update because of bandwidth limitations, invite yourself over to an organization or neighbor that has more bandwidth, or consider a trip to one of the Apple stores in Seattle or Tacoma.
You should be impressed with the great number of things that were fixed. Even if you don’t understand the technical details, the list of people who worked on finding the vulnerabilities and the scope of the patches is impressive.
Safari 16.6
Note: the new updated Safari should be bundled with the relevant version of macOS, tvOS, iOS, etc., and need not be updated separately.
APPLE-SA-2023-07-24-1 Safari 16.6
Safari 16.6 addresses the following issues.
Information about the security content is also available at
https://support.apple.com/kb/HT213847.
Apple maintains a Security Updates page at
https://support.apple.com/HT201222 which lists recent
software updates with security advisories.
WebKit
Available for: macOS Big Sur and macOS Monterey
Impact: A website may be able to bypass Same Origin Policy
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
WebKit Bugzilla: 256549
CVE-2023-38572: Narendra Bhati (twitter.com/imnarendrabhati) of Suma
Soft Pvt. Ltd, Pune - India
WebKit
Available for: macOS Big Sur and macOS Monterey
Impact: Processing web content may lead to arbitrary code execution
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
WebKit Bugzilla: 256865
CVE-2023-38594: Yuhao Hu
WebKit Bugzilla: 256573
CVE-2023-38595: an anonymous researcher, Jiming Wang, and Jikai Ren
WebKit Bugzilla: 257387
CVE-2023-38600: Anonymous working with Trend Micro Zero Day Initiative
WebKit
Available for: macOS Big Sur and macOS Monterey
Impact: Processing web content may lead to arbitrary code execution
Description: The issue was addressed with improved memory handling.
WebKit Bugzilla: 258058
CVE-2023-38611: Francisco Alonso (@revskills)
WebKit Process Model
Available for: macOS Big Sur and macOS Monterey
Impact: Processing web content may lead to arbitrary code execution
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
WebKit Bugzilla: 258100
CVE-2023-38597: 이준성(Junsung Lee) of Cross Republic
WebKit Web Inspector
Available for: macOS Big Sur and macOS Monterey
Impact: Processing web content may disclose sensitive information
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
WebKit Bugzilla: 256932
CVE-2023-38133: YeongHyeon Choi (@hyeon101010)
Additional recognition
WebRTC
We would like to acknowledge an anonymous researcher for their
assistance.
Safari 16.6 may be obtained from the Mac App Store.
All information is also posted on the Apple Security Updates
web site: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222.
iOS 16.6, iPad OS 16.6 (and HomePod 16.6)
APPLE-SA-2023-07-24-2 iOS 16.6 and iPadOS 16.6
iOS 16.6 and iPadOS 16.6 addresses the following issues.
Information about the security content is also available at
https://support.apple.com/kb/HT213841.
Apple maintains a Security Updates page at
https://support.apple.com/HT201222 which lists recent
software updates with security advisories.
Apple Neural Engine
Available for devices with Apple Neural Engine: iPhone 8 and later, iPad
Pro (3rd generation) and later, iPad Air (3rd generation) and later, and
iPad mini (5th generation)
Impact: An app may be able to execute arbitrary code with kernel
privileges
Description: The issue was addressed with improved memory handling.
CVE-2023-38136: Mohamed GHANNAM (@_simo36)
CVE-2023-38580: Mohamed GHANNAM (@_simo36)
Find My
Available for: iPhone 8 and later, iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air 3rd
generation and later, iPad 5th generation and later, and iPad mini 5th
generation and later
Impact: An app may be able to read sensitive location information
Description: A logic issue was addressed with improved restrictions.
CVE-2023-32416: Wojciech Regula of SecuRing (wojciechregula.blog)
Kernel
Available for: iPhone 8 and later, iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air 3rd
generation and later, iPad 5th generation and later, and iPad mini 5th
generation and later
Impact: An app may be able to execute arbitrary code with kernel
privileges
Description: The issue was addressed with improved memory handling.
CVE-2023-32734: Pan ZhenPeng (@Peterpan0927) of STAR Labs SG Pte. Ltd.
CVE-2023-32441: Peter Nguyễn Vũ Hoàng (@peternguyen14) of STAR Labs SG
Pte. Ltd.
CVE-2023-38261: an anonymous researcher
CVE-2023-38424: Certik Skyfall Team
CVE-2023-38425: Certik Skyfall Team
Kernel
Available for: iPhone 8 and later, iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air 3rd
generation and later, iPad 5th generation and later, and iPad mini 5th
generation and later
Impact: An app may be able to modify sensitive kernel state. Apple is
aware of a report that this issue may have been actively exploited
against versions of iOS released before iOS 15.7.1.
Description: This issue was addressed with improved state management.
CVE-2023-38606: Valentin Pashkov, Mikhail Vinogradov, Georgy Kucherin
(@kucher1n), Leonid Bezvershenko (@bzvr_), and Boris Larin (@oct0xor) of
Kaspersky
Kernel
Available for: iPhone 8 and later, iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air 3rd
generation and later, iPad 5th generation and later, and iPad mini 5th
generation and later
Impact: An app may be able to execute arbitrary code with kernel
privileges
Description: A use-after-free issue was addressed with improved memory
management.
CVE-2023-32381: an anonymous researcher
CVE-2023-32433: Zweig of Kunlun Lab
CVE-2023-35993: Kaitao Xie and Xiaolong Bai of Alibaba Group
Kernel
Available for: iPhone 8 and later, iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air 3rd
generation and later, iPad 5th generation and later, and iPad mini 5th
generation and later
Impact: A user may be able to elevate privileges
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
CVE-2023-38410: an anonymous researcher
Kernel
Available for: iPhone 8 and later, iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air 3rd
generation and later, iPad 5th generation and later, and iPad mini 5th
generation and later
Impact: A remote user may be able to cause a denial-of-service
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
CVE-2023-38603: Zweig of Kunlun Lab
libxpc
Available for: iPhone 8 and later, iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air 3rd
generation and later, iPad 5th generation and later, and iPad mini 5th
generation and later
Impact: An app may be able to gain root privileges
Description: A path handling issue was addressed with improved
validation.
CVE-2023-38565: Zhipeng Huo (@R3dF09) of Tencent Security Xuanwu Lab
(xlab.tencent.com)
libxpc
Available for: iPhone 8 and later, iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air 3rd
generation and later, iPad 5th generation and later, and iPad mini 5th
generation and later
Impact: An app may be able to cause a denial-of-service
Description: A logic issue was addressed with improved checks.
CVE-2023-38593: Noah Roskin-Frazee
NSURLSession
Available for: iPhone 8 and later, iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air 3rd
generation and later, iPad 5th generation and later, and iPad mini 5th
generation and later
Impact: An app may be able to break out of its sandbox
Description: The issue was addressed with improvements to the file
handling protocol.
CVE-2023-32437: Thijs Alkemade from Computest Sector 7
WebKit
Available for: iPhone 8 and later, iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air 3rd
generation and later, iPad 5th generation and later, and iPad mini 5th
generation and later
Impact: A website may be able to bypass Same Origin Policy
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
WebKit Bugzilla: 256549
CVE-2023-38572: Narendra Bhati (twitter.com/imnarendrabhati) of Suma
Soft Pvt. Ltd, Pune - India
WebKit
Available for: iPhone 8 and later, iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air 3rd
generation and later, iPad 5th generation and later, and iPad mini 5th
generation and later
Impact: Processing web content may lead to arbitrary code execution
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
WebKit Bugzilla: 256865
CVE-2023-38594: Yuhao Hu
WebKit Bugzilla: 256573
CVE-2023-38595: an anonymous researcher, Jiming Wang, and Jikai Ren
WebKit Bugzilla: 257387
CVE-2023-38600: Anonymous working with Trend Micro Zero Day Initiative
WebKit
Available for: iPhone 8 and later, iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air 3rd
generation and later, iPad 5th generation and later, and iPad mini 5th
generation and later
Impact: Processing web content may lead to arbitrary code execution
Description: The issue was addressed with improved memory handling.
WebKit Bugzilla: 258058
CVE-2023-38611: Francisco Alonso (@revskills)
WebKit
Available for: iPhone 8 and later, iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air 3rd
generation and later, iPad 5th generation and later, and iPad mini 5th
generation and later
Impact: Processing web content may lead to arbitrary code execution.
Apple is aware of a report that this issue may have been actively
exploited.
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
WebKit Bugzilla: 259231
CVE-2023-37450: an anonymous researcher
This issue was first addressed in Rapid Security Response iOS 16.5.1 (c)
and iPadOS 16.5.1 (c).
WebKit Process Model
Available for: iPhone 8 and later, iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air 3rd
generation and later, iPad 5th generation and later, and iPad mini 5th
generation and later
Impact: Processing web content may lead to arbitrary code execution
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
WebKit Bugzilla: 258100
CVE-2023-38597: 이준성(Junsung Lee) of Cross Republic
WebKit Web Inspector
Available for: iPhone 8 and later, iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air 3rd
generation and later, iPad 5th generation and later, and iPad mini 5th
generation and later
Impact: Processing web content may disclose sensitive information
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
WebKit Bugzilla: 256932
CVE-2023-38133: YeongHyeon Choi (@hyeon101010)
Additional recognition
Mail
We would like to acknowledge Parvez Anwar for their assistance.
WebRTC
We would like to acknowledge an anonymous researcher for their
assistance.
This update is available through iTunes and Software Update on your
iOS device, and will not appear in your computer's Software Update
application, or in the Apple Downloads site. Make sure you have an
Internet connection and have installed the latest version of iTunes
from https://www.apple.com/itunes/ iTunes and Software Update on the
device will automatically check Apple's update server on its weekly
schedule. When an update is detected, it is downloaded and the option
to be installed is presented to the user when the iOS device is
docked. We recommend applying the update immediately if possible.
Selecting Don't Install will present the option the next time you
connect your iOS device. The automatic update process may take up to
a week depending on the day that iTunes or the device checks for
updates. You may manually obtain the update via the Check for Updates
button within iTunes, or the Software Update on your device. To
check that the iPhone, iPod touch, or iPad has been updated: *
Navigate to Settings * Select General * Select About. The version
after applying this update will be "iOS 16.6 and iPadOS 16.6".
All information is also posted on the Apple Security Updates
web site: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222.
macOS Ventura 13.5
APPLE-SA-2023-07-24-4 macOS Ventura 13.5
macOS Ventura 13.5 addresses the following issues.
Information about the security content is also available at
https://support.apple.com/kb/HT213843.
Apple maintains a Security Updates page at
https://support.apple.com/HT201222 which lists recent
software updates with security advisories.
Apple Neural Engine
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: An app may be able to execute arbitrary code with kernel
privileges
Description: The issue was addressed with improved memory handling.
CVE-2023-38580: Mohamed GHANNAM (@_simo36)
AppleMobileFileIntegrity
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: An app may be able to determine a user’s current location
Description: A downgrade issue affecting Intel-based Mac computers was
addressed with additional code-signing restrictions.
CVE-2023-36862: Mickey Jin (@patch1t)
AppSandbox
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: A sandboxed process may be able to circumvent sandbox
restrictions
Description: A logic issue was addressed with improved restrictions.
CVE-2023-32364: Gergely Kalman (@gergely_kalman)
Assets
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: An app may be able to modify protected parts of the file system
Description: This issue was addressed with improved data protection.
CVE-2023-35983: Mickey Jin (@patch1t)
curl
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: Multiple issues in curl
Description: Multiple issues were addressed by updating curl.
CVE-2023-28319
CVE-2023-28320
CVE-2023-28321
CVE-2023-28322
Find My
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: An app may be able to read sensitive location information
Description: A logic issue was addressed with improved restrictions.
CVE-2023-32416: Wojciech Regula of SecuRing (wojciechregula.blog)
Grapher
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: Processing a file may lead to unexpected app termination or
arbitrary code execution
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
CVE-2023-32418: Bool of YunShangHuaAn(云上华安)
CVE-2023-36854: Bool of YunShangHuaAn(云上华安)
Kernel
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: An app may be able to execute arbitrary code with kernel
privileges
Description: The issue was addressed with improved memory handling.
CVE-2023-32734: Pan ZhenPeng (@Peterpan0927) of STAR Labs SG Pte. Ltd.
CVE-2023-32441: Peter Nguyễn Vũ Hoàng (@peternguyen14) of STAR Labs SG
Pte. Ltd.
CVE-2023-38261: an anonymous researcher
CVE-2023-38424: Certik Skyfall Team
CVE-2023-38425: Certik Skyfall Team
Kernel
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: An app may be able to execute arbitrary code with kernel
privileges
Description: A use-after-free issue was addressed with improved memory
management.
CVE-2023-32381: an anonymous researcher
CVE-2023-32433: Zweig of Kunlun Lab
CVE-2023-35993: Kaitao Xie and Xiaolong Bai of Alibaba Group
Kernel
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: A user may be able to elevate privileges
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
CVE-2023-38410: an anonymous researcher
Kernel
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: An app may be able to modify sensitive kernel state. Apple is
aware of a report that this issue may have been actively exploited
against versions of iOS released before iOS 15.7.1.
Description: This issue was addressed with improved state management.
CVE-2023-38606: Valentin Pashkov, Mikhail Vinogradov, Georgy Kucherin
(@kucher1n), Leonid Bezvershenko (@bzvr_), and Boris Larin (@oct0xor) of
Kaspersky
Kernel
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: A remote user may be able to cause a denial-of-service
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
CVE-2023-38603: Zweig of Kunlun Lab
libxpc
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: An app may be able to gain root privileges
Description: A path handling issue was addressed with improved
validation.
CVE-2023-38565: Zhipeng Huo (@R3dF09) of Tencent Security Xuanwu Lab
(xlab.tencent.com)
libxpc
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: An app may be able to cause a denial-of-service
Description: A logic issue was addressed with improved checks.
CVE-2023-38593: Noah Roskin-Frazee
Model I/O
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: Processing a 3D model may result in disclosure of process memory
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
CVE-2023-38258: Mickey Jin (@patch1t)
CVE-2023-38421: Mickey Jin (@patch1t)
OpenLDAP
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: A remote user may be able to cause a denial-of-service
Description: The issue was addressed with improved memory handling.
CVE-2023-2953: Sandipan Roy
PackageKit
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: An app may be able to access user-sensitive data
Description: A logic issue was addressed with improved restrictions.
CVE-2023-38259: Mickey Jin (@patch1t)
PackageKit
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: An app may be able to modify protected parts of the file system
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
CVE-2023-38564: Mickey Jin (@patch1t)
PackageKit
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: An app may be able to modify protected parts of the file system
Description: A permissions issue was addressed with additional
restrictions.
CVE-2023-38602: Arsenii Kostromin (0x3c3e)
Shortcuts
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: A shortcut may be able to modify sensitive Shortcuts app
settings
Description: An access issue was addressed with improved access
restrictions.
CVE-2023-32442: an anonymous researcher
sips
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: Processing a file may lead to a denial-of-service or potentially
disclose memory contents
Description: An out-of-bounds read was addressed with improved input
validation.
CVE-2023-32443: David Hoyt of Hoyt LLC
SystemMigration
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: An app may be able to bypass Privacy preferences
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
CVE-2023-32429: Wenchao Li and Xiaolong Bai of Hangzhou Orange Shield
Information Technology Co., Ltd.
Voice Memos
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: An app may be able to access user-sensitive data
Description: The issue was addressed with additional permissions checks.
CVE-2023-38608: Yiğit Can YILMAZ (@yilmazcanyigit), Kirin (@Pwnrin), and
Yishu Wang
WebKit
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: A website may be able to bypass Same Origin Policy
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
WebKit Bugzilla: 256549
CVE-2023-38572: Narendra Bhati (twitter.com/imnarendrabhati) of Suma
Soft Pvt. Ltd, Pune - India
WebKit
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: Processing web content may lead to arbitrary code execution
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
WebKit Bugzilla: 256865
CVE-2023-38594: Yuhao Hu
WebKit Bugzilla: 256573
CVE-2023-38595: an anonymous researcher, Jiming Wang, Jikai Ren
WebKit Bugzilla: 257387
CVE-2023-38600: Anonymous working with Trend Micro Zero Day Initiative
WebKit
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: Processing web content may lead to arbitrary code execution
Description: The issue was addressed with improved memory handling.
WebKit Bugzilla: 258058
CVE-2023-38611: Francisco Alonso (@revskills)
WebKit
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: Processing web content may lead to arbitrary code execution.
Apple is aware of a report that this issue may have been actively
exploited.
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
WebKit Bugzilla: 259231
CVE-2023-37450: an anonymous researcher
This issue was first addressed in Rapid Security Response macOS Ventura
13.4.1 (c).
WebKit Process Model
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: Processing web content may lead to arbitrary code execution
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
WebKit Bugzilla: 258100
CVE-2023-38597: 이준성(Junsung Lee) of Cross Republic
WebKit Web Inspector
Available for: macOS Ventura
Impact: Processing web content may disclose sensitive information
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
WebKit Bugzilla: 256932
CVE-2023-38133: YeongHyeon Choi (@hyeon101010)
Additional recognition
WebRTC
We would like to acknowledge an anonymous researcher for their
assistance.
macOS Ventura 13.5 may be obtained from the Mac App Store or Apple's
Software Downloads web site: https://support.apple.com/downloads/
All information is also posted on the Apple Security Updates
web site: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222.
macOS Monterey 12.6.8
macOS Monterey 12.6.8 addresses the following issues.
Information about the security content is also available at
https://support.apple.com/kb/HT213844.
Apple maintains a Security Updates page at
https://support.apple.com/HT201222 which lists recent
software updates with security advisories.
Assets
Available for: macOS Monterey
Impact: An app may be able to modify protected parts of the file system
Description: This issue was addressed with improved data protection.
CVE-2023-35983: Mickey Jin (@patch1t)
curl
Available for: macOS Monterey
Impact: Multiple issues in curl
Description: Multiple issues were addressed by updating curl.
CVE-2023-28319
CVE-2023-28320
CVE-2023-28321
CVE-2023-28322
Find My
Available for: macOS Monterey
Impact: An app may be able to read sensitive location information
Description: A logic issue was addressed with improved restrictions.
CVE-2023-32416: Wojciech Regula of SecuRing (wojciechregula.blog)
Grapher
Available for: macOS Monterey
Impact: Processing a file may lead to unexpected app termination or
arbitrary code execution
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
CVE-2023-36854: Bool of YunShangHuaAn(云上华安)
CVE-2023-32418: Bool of YunShangHuaAn(云上华安)
Kernel
Available for: macOS Monterey
Impact: An app may be able to execute arbitrary code with kernel
privileges
Description: A use-after-free issue was addressed with improved memory
management.
CVE-2023-32381: an anonymous researcher
CVE-2023-32433: Zweig of Kunlun Lab
CVE-2023-35993: Kaitao Xie and Xiaolong Bai of Alibaba Group
Kernel
Available for: macOS Monterey
Impact: An app may be able to modify sensitive kernel state. Apple is
aware of a report that this issue may have been actively exploited
against versions of iOS released before iOS 15.7.1.
Description: This issue was addressed with improved state management.
CVE-2023-38606: Valentin Pashkov, Mikhail Vinogradov, Georgy Kucherin
(@kucher1n), Leonid Bezvershenko (@bzvr_), and Boris Larin (@oct0xor) of
Kaspersky
Kernel
Available for: macOS Monterey
Impact: An app may be able to execute arbitrary code with kernel
privileges
Description: The issue was addressed with improved memory handling.
CVE-2023-32441: Peter Nguyễn Vũ Hoàng (@peternguyen14) of STAR Labs SG
Pte. Ltd.
libxpc
Available for: macOS Monterey
Impact: An app may be able to gain root privileges
Description: A path handling issue was addressed with improved
validation.
CVE-2023-38565: Zhipeng Huo (@R3dF09) of Tencent Security Xuanwu Lab
(xlab.tencent.com)
libxpc
Available for: macOS Monterey
Impact: An app may be able to cause a denial-of-service
Description: A logic issue was addressed with improved checks.
CVE-2023-38593: Noah Roskin-Frazee
Model I/O
Available for: macOS Monterey
Impact: Processing a 3D model may result in disclosure of process memory
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
CVE-2023-38421: Mickey Jin (@patch1t)
CVE-2023-38258: Mickey Jin (@patch1t)
OpenLDAP
Available for: macOS Monterey
Impact: A remote user may be able to cause a denial-of-service
Description: The issue was addressed with improved memory handling.
CVE-2023-2953: Sandipan Roy
PackageKit
Available for: macOS Monterey
Impact: An app may be able to access user-sensitive data
Description: A logic issue was addressed with improved restrictions.
CVE-2023-38259: Mickey Jin (@patch1t)
PackageKit
Available for: macOS Monterey
Impact: An app may be able to modify protected parts of the file system
Description: A permissions issue was addressed with additional
restrictions.
CVE-2023-38602: Arsenii Kostromin (0x3c3e)
Shortcuts
Available for: macOS Monterey
Impact: A shortcut may be able to modify sensitive Shortcuts app
settings
Description: An access issue was addressed with improved access
restrictions.
CVE-2023-32442: an anonymous researcher
sips
Available for: macOS Monterey
Impact: Processing a file may lead to a denial-of-service or potentially
disclose memory contents
Description: An out-of-bounds read was addressed with improved input
validation.
CVE-2023-32443: David Hoyt of Hoyt LLC
Additional recognition
Mail
We would like to acknowledge Parvez Anwar for their assistance.
macOS Monterey 12.6.8 may be obtained from the Mac App Store or
Apple's Software Downloads web site:
https://support.apple.com/downloads/
All information is also posted on the Apple Security Updates
web site: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222.
APPLE-SA-2023-07-24-7 tvOS 16.6
tvOS 16.6 addresses the following issues.
Information about the security content is also available at
https://support.apple.com/kb/HT213846.
Apple maintains a Security Updates page at
https://support.apple.com/HT201222 which lists recent
software updates with security advisories.
Kernel
Available for: Apple TV 4K (all models) and Apple TV HD
Impact: An app may be able to execute arbitrary code with kernel
privileges
Description: The issue was addressed with improved memory handling.
CVE-2023-32734: Pan ZhenPeng (@Peterpan0927) of STAR Labs SG Pte. Ltd.
CVE-2023-32441: Peter Nguyễn Vũ Hoàng (@peternguyen14) of STAR Labs SG
Pte. Ltd.
Kernel
Available for: Apple TV 4K (all models) and Apple TV HD
Impact: An app may be able to modify sensitive kernel state. Apple is
aware of a report that this issue may have been actively exploited
against versions of iOS released before iOS 15.7.1.
Description: This issue was addressed with improved state management.
CVE-2023-38606: Valentin Pashkov, Mikhail Vinogradov, Georgy Kucherin
(@kucher1n), Leonid Bezvershenko (@bzvr_), and Boris Larin (@oct0xor) of
Kaspersky
Kernel
Available for: Apple TV 4K (all models) and Apple TV HD
Impact: An app may be able to execute arbitrary code with kernel
privileges
Description: A use-after-free issue was addressed with improved memory
management.
CVE-2023-32381: an anonymous researcher
CVE-2023-32433: Zweig of Kunlun Lab
CVE-2023-35993: Kaitao Xie and Xiaolong Bai of Alibaba Group
WebKit
Available for: Apple TV 4K (all models) and Apple TV HD
Impact: A website may be able to bypass Same Origin Policy
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
WebKit Bugzilla: 256549
CVE-2023-38572: Narendra Bhati (twitter.com/imnarendrabhati) of Suma
Soft Pvt. Ltd, Pune - India
WebKit
Available for: Apple TV 4K (all models) and Apple TV HD
Impact: Processing web content may lead to arbitrary code execution
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There were multiple topics for our June 20 meeting, each of which could have encompassed a meeting by themselves.
Slides for the meeting
Click on the first slide, then use the arrow keys on the side to move forward or backward. A video recording of the meeting and a transcript of closed captioning follows.
Video recording of the June meeting. Click on the YouTube logo for a larger view:
Video recording of the June 20, 2023 SMUG meeting.
The transcript of the closed captioning starts around 7 p.m., roughly a half hour after the video starts. Note that YouTube generates the closed captioning using voice recognition, and it often makes interesting errors.
19:01:29 Oops!
19:01:37 No, I did not make a sign in sheet Kathleen just asked me, do you have a sign in sheet?
19:01:42 Of course I forgot to make it signature.
19:01:47 Yes.
19:01:46 I have a question. It's I had a hard time signing in going to the link, and I hit.
19:01:56 Go with zoom and everything, but it didn't seem to want to go through.
19:02:04 You should have just been able to click on the link in it. Take you there!
19:02:08 No, and then it said, Allow with zoom! And then it said, and it just spin.
19:02:15 And so I went back and stopped that. And when again?
19:02:19 Yeah, I, that's probably something local with your machine just as an Fy to people before you get on any kind of Zoom Meeting or any kind of facetime meeting or something.
19:02:32 There are 2 things you should do well with Zoom. You should check to make sure you have the current version, and that's why, when I send out the announcements I usually tell you what the current version is.
19:02:43 And the second thing you should do is probably readboot your machine.
19:02:47 A lot of people throughout the day. They launch all kinds of things, and when, especially when you're streaming those other things that are open are using the same kind of resources that zoom uses.
19:03:01 Hey? Thank you.
19:02:58 Zoom is not the world's best written application, and so if you reboot your machine, that forces everything to start over again, it's like a brand new world, and then you can start your Zoom Meeting and probably give you fewer problems, so this this one woman while I was watching she launched a
19:03:18 zooms on her laptop, she launched this zoom, meeting.
19:03:20 I say, wait! Wait! Wait! What was that? She had?
19:03:23 19 applications. Open was a laptop, and when she brought it to into the church, which is where I saw her, she just shut down her laptop at home, but she didn't turn it off she just shut the lid brought it in.
19:03:38 So all these things that she had opened they'd been open for probably a week or more.
19:03:42 So just as an fy. If you reboot the machine, it should respond more quickly.
19:03:47 Thank you.
19:03:49 Anything from our President? Do we have our President? I don't see her.
19:03:58 Oh, there you are!
19:03:57 But I'm here. Oh, welcome, everybody!
19:04:03 I don't see anybody new. So I actually don't.
19:04:08 Well, I have a question. Wanted to know how the meeting went.
19:04:12 I'm sorry. Unfortunately, I missed it. We had friends that were moving, and then another set of friends that were up here on vacation.
19:04:19 That was in the makes for a while, but the one at the church.
19:04:25 How was the turnout, or do you know how many people?
19:04:26 Kathleen, did we have a dozen, 13?
19:04:30 We had 13 people, and they were a mixture of mac and windows in as much as 2 people had windows, machines.
19:04:39 The rest of them were Max, but I covered both, and several people afterwards said that they were surprised that my presentation talked about windows and my presentation, talking about Mac.
19:04:51 Weren't that different? And that's because when it comes to elementary troubleshooting they aren't that the individual techniques are are different.
19:05:01 But the general principles on what you're checking aren't that different?
19:05:07 So, but everyone seemed to be happy. I did have some.
19:05:12 I did have, as I expected, a lot of interesting questions afterwards.
19:05:18 From people that had had problems for a long time, and they were surprised that things that they were doing on a daily basis.
19:05:29 We're actually causing the problems like this one woman.
19:05:34 She? She! She had a risk, rest, rest, and the risk.
19:05:43 Rest was pushing against the option key on her computer.
19:05:48 So when she, if it pushes against the option key, when you type things in the Mac changes what you're typing.
19:05:55 And she said, They'll she'll stop doing that because she didn't know that would happen.
19:06:01 But I thought it II thought it went well.
19:06:04 What's the majority from outside of our user group?
19:06:12 I think about little bit more than half were we were people on the smug mailing list, but there are several people that IA couple of people, were from church from that church, and couple people. One person came from port towns, and one person came from Portland Angeles.
19:06:35 And I didn't really pull them. There might have been more, but at least those 2 people identified them as being from Port towns and Port Angeles.
19:06:41 Huh!
19:06:42 So I thought it went. I thought it went well, and.
19:06:44 Oh, that's great! One more thing before I forget.
19:06:49 I came by this afternoon, and I dropped the check off in your mailbox.
19:06:52 I don't know what time you guys normally get the mail, but I just I didn't ring the doorbell. I just popped it in your mailbox.
19:06:59 Okay, yeah, we'll take a look.
19:07:03 So with that I will turn it over to my mom and let her go over the numbers.
19:07:09 Since that deduction you got reimbursed that way.
19:07:12 Okay.
19:07:16 Okay. Well, we didn't get any deposits in this month, or the last couple of months.
19:07:25 We had that expense to check that. So green is dropped off at your place, Lawrence.
19:07:32 So that gave it was $163 and 26 cents.
19:07:36 Expense for the Zoom subscription for another year.
19:07:41 Yeah. And that was that brings the balance down now to $1,965 and 64 cents.
19:07:51 One comment people had about the meeting at the church is that they thought the screens in the church were up too high, and it hurt their neck.
19:08:02 Hmm!
19:08:15 Okay.
19:08:02 So I was thinking of that because the their audio visual in there is not really designed for what we were doing, and.
19:08:19 Yeah. So they backed up, and then they said they were too far away, and they couldn't see the screen.
19:08:22 But you know.
19:08:28 One moment, said, the next time she was going to bring in her lawn share, because it allowed her to refine.
19:08:32 But I don't know if she was serious enough.
19:08:37 Anything else before I start.
19:08:40 No, not working.
19:08:41 Okay. I'm going to do 2 things. Well, 3 things I'm going to have a quick review of what Apple introduced.
19:08:48 I'm going to show you once again something that I just really think is super cool, and it's free and the third thing is, I'm going to talk about apple TV.
19:09:01 So I'm going to talk about apple TV. So I'm going to start sharing my screen.
19:09:06 And I'm gonna share that screen. And the first thing I'm gonna show you is this thing, this I've told you about last month.
19:09:18 But it's really quite cool. Let's make that thing go away.
19:09:25 This is something called a little little snitch Mini.
19:09:30 You can get it from the Apple Mac store, and it's free, and what it allows you to do is to see everything that you have open at any given time, and if you click on it it'll tell what it talks to.
19:09:44 And I was using this a couple days ago because I was talking to an FBI agent, and he wanted me to use this special super secure.
19:09:55 Thing to talk to him, and I had this open, and I'd forgotten that it was open.
19:10:03 And and I said, Oh, you're talking to me from the data center in Virginia, and he freaked out because that was not something he wanted to talk about.
19:10:12 Okay.
19:10:12 But a little snitch. Mini. It puts up a map, and it tells you everything.
19:10:21 You're have open, and it shows you where they're connected to which it should be enlightening.
19:10:27 You'd be surprised sometimes what your applications are talking to.
19:10:34 Okay. Now, is there any way for me to move this? Oh, yes, there is.
19:10:40 Zoom puts all this stuff up that makes it harder for me to see.
19:10:44 I have a presentation tonight, and I'm going to go through it fairly quickly and then try and get on with the demo.
19:10:58 Where are the okay? I think that's it. Yes, one of the things that Apple introduced while at the Worldwide Developer Conference Apple introduced a bunch of technologies.
19:11:11 But at the delivery conference, since these are software developers, most of the time they spent talking about software.
19:11:17 But they had hardware developments this year that they talked about last year.
19:11:23 They didn't do that last year. It was all software, and one of the first ones was that the next version of Apple TV, if you have an apple TV and you have a Mac, and you have an iphone.
19:11:37 It will allow you to use your iphone as a camera for your TV, so you can have facetime calls and see on your TV.
19:11:46 So this is a face demonstration of a facetime call where you can see the apple TV.
19:11:51 You there in the corner and the iphone, and and I went too far, and you can have a facetime call.
19:12:01 My daughter, hey is in England, and we have facetime calls with her, and we're usually kind of crammed into using their ipad, or something like that.
19:12:11 But with this we we could sit back in chairs and watch her on the TV, and she could see us using the iphone.
19:12:20 One of the things that they had is when they put the iphone next to the TV.
19:12:26 They put it on the stand so as an unannounced thing, apple apparently has a stand that you can stick your iphone on to act as a prop to hold your phones as a camera.
19:12:38 But the other thing it does is that nighttime. It acts as a nightstand, so that you can look up, and it displays in horizontally cross and big, bold letters.
19:12:50 It shows the time the time, so you can use it as a night clock.
19:12:55 But this may not mean too much to you, but Kathleen and I are both excited about this again.
19:13:04 How do you do that? Yeah.
19:13:06 How do you do that? There's there's a new.
19:13:13 There's going to be a facetime app on your TV.
19:13:15 And so you fire at facetime and ask what camera you're going to use.
19:13:19 You put your eyephone there and it syncs with that, and then your iphone streams.
19:13:24 The video to the people in England, or wherever they happen to be.
19:13:31 Iphone or ipad, or whatever she's using, gets streamed to my TV using the apple TV.
19:13:36 So it it takes 3 things, takes a TV, takes an apple TV, which is that black device that you see there.
19:13:44 Speaking, in which, Kathleen, could you bring me one of the apple Tvs in the bedroom?
19:13:28 Yeah.
19:13:50 The apple TV is that black device in the corner, and it keeps on trying to switch the screen on me.
19:13:58 And then it takes an iphone. So you're using the iphone as a camera.
19:14:01 The apple TV is the interface device in your to, and you're TV.
19:14:07 There should be something on on the apple TV that shows the space-time thing.
19:14:15 That there the apple TV does not currently support facetime. But that's going to be out in the next version of Apple TV, which is coming out this fall.
19:14:24 Oh, okay.
19:14:25 So it's an app that runs on the apple TV. That little black box in the left corner.
19:14:33 The next thing that they had that was interesting. Is that right?
19:14:38 Now on the iphone there is a health app and the health app takes information that's collected by your apple.
19:14:48 Watching your phone, and it displays to you like it tells you how many hours you were in bed, and all kinds of and it displays to you.
19:14:58 It tells you how many hours you were in bed, and all kinds of I don't want that.
19:15:00 Oh, sure! The health app on the phone is kind of cramped in terms of what it does.
19:15:09 Well, the next version of the Ipad OS. Will have the Al-health app on the ipad.
19:15:14 So you have a much larger screen to see a whole bunch of stuff and Apple's adding different things.
19:15:23 To see a whole bunch of stuff and Apple's adding different things that it can do like more information on respirations and hearts and a bunch of other things, and that's coming to the ipad and for me.
19:15:30 That's a huge plus, because I've wanted this for some time.
19:15:34 I have arrhythmia and I've had it my entire life, so it's no great thing.
19:15:41 The the apple watch can take Ekg.
19:15:47 And I wanted to show it to the my cardiologist and the only way I could show it was on my iphone, which is kind of pathetic, but with the with the new, with the having the health app on the ipad that'll make it, much much much more fun easier to
19:16:08 do, Mac OS so no is the new version of the apple operating system, and they didn't talk too much about this.
19:16:16 They just showed some features right now you can have widgets on the on, the on the Mac, on on what's the current operating system?
19:16:27 Whatever I'm currently using Ventura, you can have widgets on the screen.
19:16:31 Well, they're expanding that greatly. So it's going to act more like the ipad and the widgets will allow better.
19:16:40 They're gonna add new widgets that'll just be things that stick up on the screen. So you don't have to go look to see what time it is or what the time zones are.
19:16:49 Just stay up there, but it also is going to allow better integration between your iphone and ipad and your Mac and a bunch of stuff that's coming out on this.
19:17:00 But the integration features are going to be what most people notice.
19:17:05 It's just. It's much easier to move things back and forth and do some things on your iphone and see the results on your iphone and see the results on your on your Mac or Ipad.
19:17:15 On the ipad they're doing a lot with widgets as well, including widgets on the lock screen.
19:17:22 For example, this is the. There's an earth clock, and it not only tells you the time, but it also shows you where the sun is.
19:17:30 It assumes that the that it's positioned right over where you are.
19:17:35 So at 9 41, and the I guess this would be in the morning.
19:17:41 It would look like this, and it shows you that. But notice in particular, that the rotating earth is right over the clock.
19:17:51 So it's being it's doing all kinds of just cool things in terms of graphics in order to get it there.
19:17:58 And you can have widgets on your a lock screen as well, so you can just look at your your ipad without opening it up, and see what the time is.
19:18:09 In various time zones, or what the temperature or the air quality index, and so on.
19:18:14 So forth, is so, they think of this as more with Sonoma and Ipad.
19:18:19 OS! It's a they're working intensely on in integration and convenience.
19:18:27 Aspects of the operating system. They introduced 2 new Macs.
19:18:34 One is the Max studio with them, M. 2. Chip.
19:18:37 It's got A. M. 2 Max and an M.
19:18:40 2 ultra chip, the original ipad.
19:18:46 The Mac studios had an M. One ultra chip.
19:18:50 The M. 2 ultra is essentially 2 m. 2 chips that are stuck together so it's a very, very powerful chip.
19:19:00 The Mac pro is the tall one on the right, and that is basically the same case as the existing Mac Pro.
19:19:08 But it's going to have apple silicon chip inside, and you can put up to 192 GB of RAM in it, and it's got I don't remember for 6 or 7 slots so you can use it in the sound world
19:19:26 they put in sound cards, and there, so you can have multiple channels of sound, or you can have multiple channels of video.
19:19:34 All streaming into it at the same time. The Max studio is not that it?
19:19:41 The low end price is like $2,000. The low end price for the Mac pro is basically costs as much as your Ferrari.
19:19:50 It's it's not cheap, but for the for the recording industry and people crunching codes and so on.
19:20:00 So forth. It's probably just gonna be hot stuff.
19:20:04 The M. 2 itself. I have some figures up here.
19:20:08 You can put up a hundred 92 GB worth of RAM by comparison.
19:20:12 My first computer had 16 k. Of RAM. So you know, a bit more it's got a 32 core neural engine and neural engines are useful for things like speech processing and rendering things and cracking codes and so on, so forth.
19:20:30 800 megapascals of memory, bandwidth.
19:20:35 That means moving memory from one part of the chip to the other part of the chip to the other part of the chip.
19:20:40 It can do it really, really, fast, it'll display up to 6 apple studio displays at on that Mac studio.
19:20:50 So if you could plug 6 of those Mac studio device, the Max Apple studio displays you can plug 6 of in it at one time, and it's got a hundred 34 billion transistors which I don't know how many of you are old enough to remember the original
19:21:07 meeting transistor range, the original Sony transistor radio that I saw was, I was living in California at the time, and I was probably in first grade, and there was this thing about the oh, about the size of a brick, and it had 2 transistors in it.
19:21:31 So what this one chip, which is oh, smaller than a than a post.
19:21:37 It. This one ship has a hundred 3,234 billion chips on it.
19:21:46 Really interesting thing. Watch OS 10. They talk mostly about health things different different metrics that it can.
19:21:57 That it can pick up in terms of your health and movement and and respiration and heartbeat, and so on, so forth.
19:22:06 For most people what they're really going to notice are the new watch faces and the snoopy watch face tickled me greatly.
19:22:15 At 1 point a Woodstock slides down the minute hand and bounces off of Snoopy's head, which is pointless and doesn't mean anything, but I thought I was Kathleen, and I both giggle.
19:22:31 We thought that was cool in terms of what it does.
19:22:37 It also tells time, but most of what they spent the time on was that talking about the health benefits of the apple launch, and Kathleen and I use it specifically for that purpose.
19:22:47 They introduced a new 15 inch macbook air, and the big thing about it is that it's got a bigger screen.
19:23:00 And because it's physically larger, it also has a longer battery life than the existing macbook air.
19:23:07 What they spent the most amount of time. It was on the vision.
19:23:13 Pro, these are a set of goggles that you put on to put yourself in a virtual environment, whereas Meta talks about the virtual environment from playing games and a lot of other people do this, too.
19:23:28 They use it basically for gaming. Apple has done something very different, and Kathleen and I, we're fascinated and watched it twice because we wanted to catch up on some of the nuances it creates a virtual environment.
19:23:46 Around you so you can use your computer so you can use your phone so you can use your phone so you can integrate with data as well as showing you things like virtual couches and so on so forth.
19:23:56 But we were intrigued with it for people who were mobility and impaired, or had cognitive issues.
19:24:03 Your head, shoulder, surgery once, and I tried to type one-handed on a computer, and that was very difficult with the with the vision.
19:24:19 Pro, you can type by just moving your fingers. You don't actually have to type.
19:24:23 You don't need a keyboard, so you can type.
19:24:26 You can talk to it, you can give it verbal commands, it watches your eyes.
19:24:32 So if your eyes move in one direction, it watches your eyes, so if your eyes move in one direction, it'll move to a different part of the virtual spreadsheet, or whatever you're using.
19:24:38 We were really, really fascinated with it. The part that we were not so wild about was the price which is, it starts at $3.5.
19:24:47 What was what they didn't tell you. That was interesting, though, is that you can see someone's eyes through the screen if you look at visions, Meta, or a lot of the other.
19:24:58 All of the other ones. They're opaque they just got this brick in front of someone's face, and you can't see their eyes well, you can see the person's eyes through the through this mask.
19:25:09 We thought, Wow, how do they do? You're not really seeing the person's eyes.
19:25:12 There are cameras inside that display. What the eyes look like.
19:25:19 So if they're looking at you, or they blink, you can see it through the goggles.
19:25:23 But you're but they really are opaque. There's essentially a screen in front that shows you what their eyes are looking at and what they're eyes are doing.
19:25:32 So it was. It's a it's a fascinating piece of technology.
19:25:36 And Kathleen and I were mostly interested in in terms of people like disabled vets, or people who have had cognitive or physical limitations, because we see just a a wealth of uses for it, especially if it wasn't price.
19:25:55 $3,500, but you can go on apple sites, and they have some video showing you how it works.
19:26:01 And I encourage you to go. Do that. The Ios 17 has a bunch of new features, but the couple that are going to be the most interesting people is you can set up photocards for people.
19:26:14 So, for example, on the left one say, my daughter calls me when she calls me, rather than just have a phone number.
19:26:21 It'll display card. So that card can be a picture of her or a picture of her, or picture of her house, or whatever it is that tells me something about my daughter, or picture of her house, or whatever it is that tells me something about my daughter you can also set up memojis that are based upon
19:26:33 photographs. Emoji is kind of an emoji, only it moves so you can take a photograph of a cat, and that can be your memoji that represents you or somebody.
19:26:45 And on the right is I get my phone number is 240, area code, which is the it?
19:26:53 Which is Maryland. I didn't change it when I moved here, and when I get calls from 240, or any of the other Washington, DC.
19:27:02 Or Maryland area codes. I just don't pay any attention to them, because it's probably if I don't answer the call, the new phone will give me a transcript.
19:27:14 If they start talking so it'll show up on the screen.
19:27:18 And at that point I can decide whether or not I accept it. You might remember back in the good old days when we had answering machines in the house, you would have an incoming call.
19:27:28 You didn't know who it was you'd ignore it, and then you they start talking.
19:27:32 You realize it was your nephew, or something. You go dash to the answering machine.
19:27:38 Well, this is essentially the modern-day equivalent of that.
19:27:41 Instead of talking to them, they start talking, and it gives you a transcript, and at that point you want to listen to them.
19:27:46 You press the little green, except button, and you can talk to them, and I think this sounds like a splendid idea.
19:27:54 Kathleen jokes that I have a phone so that I won't talk to people and this way I might actually talk to some more people.
19:28:03 And are those they talked about a bunch of things?
19:28:07 The apple keynote addresses normally are 2 h.
19:28:10 This one is 2 h and 8 min, and it really was quite something, and if if nothing else, I encourage you to go look at the the videos they have of the vision pro to see how it works.
19:28:26 Because I really do think they've come up with something very, very different.
19:28:30 I noticed that this the day before Apple announced it.
19:28:35 Meta came up with a new set of goggles from Meta for gaming, and those are only 500.
19:28:44 Bucks, but they also are owned and operated by Facebook, and probably worth less than 500 bucks.
19:28:53 But I don't have a great opinion of Facebook.
19:28:59 Okay. Apple TV. It was been requested several times that I had talked about Apple TV apple TV is 3 different things.
19:29:07 It is a device, it is a service, and it is an app, and I'm going to talk first.
19:29:15 About the device. This I couldn't find screenshots that I like. So I took a bunch of photographs of R TV, the one that Kathleen's looking at right now.
19:29:26 So this is off of our TV. And if it's it doesn't look like a professional photograph.
19:29:31 This is just something I took very quickly at around midnight.
19:29:35 So when you bring up apple TV, it says the you have different choices just sticking with the apple TV part.
19:29:44 You can watch now something, and down at the bottom you see thumbnails of things that I've recently been watching, or things that we own, and I just bought a 6 pack of mission impossible movies.
19:29:59 So it's showing mission impossible. And maybe in Boston, DC.
19:30:03 Stargirl so that's on the menu there so the watch now is you can watch these things, or you can go over the next tab, which is TV apple TV-plusplus.
19:30:14 Apple tvplus is the service so on the apple TV, you can watch apple TV plus, and for that it will show movies that are on apple Tvs.
19:30:25 Such as 300, which has nothing to do with apple.
19:30:28 But apple currently is showing it, or you can watch various series that are on TV or movies that were made for apple TV.
19:30:37 You can watch sports which I see skipped over entirely entirely, because I don't watch sports on it.
19:30:42 You can go into the Apple TV store and buy or rent movies, or you can go into.
19:30:53 Why?
19:30:56 Are. You can go into your own library, and it shows you libraries of things that you already own.
19:31:02 So these are digital movies that we purchased or were given to us, or whatever.
19:31:10 So that's that's the apple TV service running on the apple TV device.
19:31:16 If you go beyond, you look into this, Ted Lasso is on Apple TV, plus.
19:31:24 It's a series that's in its third season, and probably the last season.
19:31:30 It's for the last 3 years. It's the highest rated streaming series on TV.
19:31:37 It's about a football coach from Kansas who is hired to run an English football team, and so it's filled with a whole bunch of yeah in English football, as we call soccer and it's filled with a whole bunch of culture clashes in terms of food
19:31:57 and language, and customs, and so on, so forth. I should warn you that the language is a little bit colorful, because the English on TV, if you watch masterpiece theater, you think that everybody speaks in the Queen's English, and really their language is much more blue than it is in
19:32:17 the United States. So the English people, and in Ted Lasso tend to say very colorful things.
19:32:26 But it's still quite, quite funny. We greatly enjoyed it.
19:32:31 It also has original movies. This is from the movie Greyhound, which is a Tom Hanks movie about a destroyer captain fighting the Nazis in the Atlantic during World War.
19:32:43 2. It was supposed to be released in theaters, but the pandemic came about and Apple bought the movie and has it on apple TV.
19:32:54 It is extremely well done, and I was impressed with the set design, because the it looks like they're really fighting this battle from this destroyer.
19:33:04 But the destroyer itself was strapped a long time ago, so I was curious how they did it, and they actually built a huge set to mimic the bridge, and a lot of it was done with computers.
19:33:15 So really impressed with that apple, also produced this movie which is on the eighth of Tetris into the United States, and it is hilariously funny.
19:33:30 And I was really shocked when I was looking about looking it up.
19:33:33 It's really pretty much true. There are some things that they made up like dialogue, but the events are just bizarre beyond.
19:33:44 Belief. And now there's a movie about it really like that.
19:33:49 And they are even show the original Tetris, which was character based.
19:33:54 That wasn't even graphics based. So it's a really interesting movie which was also produced by Apple.
19:34:02 Hey? It was the first streaming service the apple ever produced, and it won 3 Academy Awards.
19:34:10 It was also one of the very first feature films ever that have deaf sign language as a major portion of the dialogue.
19:34:21 So a large portion of the movie is done in American sign language.
19:34:26 Really, really, really, well, done. If you are a science fiction fan.
19:34:35 They also have started a series based upon Isaac Asimov's novel foundation.
19:34:40 Which has been long thought to be unfillmable, because foundation takes place over hundreds of years and advanced civilization in the far future.
19:34:52 But Apple's doing it, and the second season starts again.
19:34:56 I think in July.
19:35:00 We also have on our apple TV, an app called Youtube TV, that's run by Google, and with Youtube, TV, we get our local news off of our apple TV using the Youtube app and the Youtube app, the ABC Nbc Cbs, these are all seattle Stations.
19:35:23 So we get Seattle news. We get the local news. Anything that they're showing in Seattle that we can actually see unless we had cable.
19:35:31 We don't need cable. We can use the Youtube app for that.
19:35:34 And if you look at the this is a screenshot of apple TV, there are large icons, and you can tell it's for Amazon, Prime and Youtube TV's for Amazon, prime and Youtube TV's for Amazon prime and Youtube TV, and apple TV, and Disney
19:35:48 blast. And some of these things come with it like you see the joystick, red joystick, icon, the third row that's for Apple Arcade.
19:36:01 You can see the little bullet. That's that's the activity monitor.
19:36:06 The same thing that you have on your apple watch and your iphone.
19:36:10 So tracking your activity, and you can do exercises and exercise videos, and so on and so forth.
19:36:15 And you'll see here in the upper left that there's a little gear icon that's the settings program from for Apple TV.
19:36:24 It looks a lot like the settings, icon, that you have on your Imac or your ipad, and works pretty much the same way, and on the third row down on the right side you'll see that blue icon with the looks like an a that's for the apple TV app store where
19:36:43 you go and buy apple TV apps. So it's the interface is very similar.
19:36:50 I'm gonna stop screen sharing for a second to show you something physical.
19:36:55 If I can ever find my!
19:37:00 Stop. Okay, this is the remote that you use for apple TV.
19:37:07 The circle up here at the top and you can use it to go in various sundry directions, and it's got a mute and up and down and volume control, and so on.
19:37:16 So forth, and this is what an apple TV looks like.
19:37:19 It's just a black brick, and it's actually fairly heavy.
19:37:24 This is an older model that's got an HDMI port on the back, so that you can plug your TV into it.
19:37:32 And it's got an Ethernet, Jack. There are 2 models out now.
19:37:35 One doesn't have an Ethernet, Jack, and one does the advantage of an ethernet well, if it doesn't have an Ethernet, jack, then it works entirely over Wi-fi.
19:37:45 The problem with TV over Wi-fi, especially if you're using.
19:37:49 There are people gamers like to use the apple TV for games is that Wi-fi has a built-in latency that most people wouldn't notice.
19:37:58 You know, just things are split. Second off, but with gamers they get upset with that and with the you don't have Wi-fi latency if you plug it into ethernet.
19:38:08 So the Ethernet model currently costs a little bit more than the Wi-fi only version.
19:38:15 But that's what an apple TV is.
19:38:18 And you plug your TV into it and you run it through your phone.
19:38:24 And this is how we get TV. So we don't.
19:38:28 We're on wave, but we do not subscribe to waves TV services because they're really expensive.
19:38:34 We use the Youtube TV the other advantage in having this brick to get your TV when you use wave for your TV service wave sells your TV habits, everything that you watch it sells them to TV companies.
19:38:50 It sells them to Disney and Cbs. And so on, and so forth.
19:38:54 Everything that goes to the apple TV is encrypted.
19:38:58 So nobody gets it.
19:39:02 It's all encrypted. So Wave has no idea what I'm doing with with my with my.
19:39:08 Hey? Notice! Have you noticed that your remote for your apple TV?
19:39:11 Is extremely sensitive.
19:39:16 The the original ones were that used to infuriate me.
19:39:21 The new one. Isn't that bad?
19:39:23 So so mine looks just like the one that you have there.
19:39:27 And it's it's a 4 K version.
19:39:31 It's yeah. It's probably same one.
19:39:30 So I think it's probably the newest one but it, but it has a setting that you can.
19:39:39 Yeah, that's exactly the same one has a setting in there that you can go ahead and turn off the sensitivity.
19:39:45 It has either tactile type of things where you have to actually push things to get them to work, or we were having troubles with even just getting our finger close to it.
19:39:54 And it was sensitive enough that it would change things on us so.
19:39:59 But you can turn that off and make it much less aggravating.
19:40:01 I did not know that I'm going to investigate that.
19:40:03 Yes, yes, in settings for apple TV.
19:40:08 It's wonderful.
19:40:09 Ron. Which where would that be? In which setting?
19:40:14 Well, I'm not where I can see my unit, but it if you Google it, it'll tell Ya.
19:40:20 Why is my apple TV remote, so sensitive, or something like that?
19:40:24 And it'll tell you how to fix it.
19:40:25 Yeah, if you go into this settings app here, it's got a whole part on the remote.
19:40:33 And I just never paid attention to it. So Uhhuh!
19:40:35 Yeah, yeah. It's just made a maddening thing.
19:40:39 Just wonderful.
19:40:42 Lauren. Everything that you're describing is based off of having the apple TV.
19:40:51 Yes.
19:40:48 You know the box, the unit itself. Does all this apply like on our Lg, I have apple TV, just the app, and then I can do the same things.
19:41:01 Does all this apply the same way? Are you specifically talking the?
19:41:13 Oh, okay.
19:41:05 No, the apple TV that is on your lg, TV is the service, which is the next thing I'm gonna talk about the apple TV physical brick.
19:41:17 I add, apps to the apple TV, and everything goes through the apple TV on your lg, it goes through the Lg and it goes through wave and they sell your data.
19:41:29 Among other things, it's it's quite a bit different than the service, which is what I'm going to show next.
19:41:36 Yeah, I have a older TV where we have the actual brick apple TV hooked up.
19:41:42 But then the newer TV came with it. So then the older TV got the brick one.
19:41:57 Okay.
19:41:47 Okay. Well, the the brick one actually does things that the that the one that comes with your TV does not because the the TV has the service.
19:42:01 This is, the. This is the Apple TV service, and, for example, the watch now, and so on, so forth.
19:42:09 It looks a lot like it did on the apple TV, except that you can't do things like Youtube Tvs.
19:42:17 It doesn't offer Youtube TV. You can't add other apps to the service.
19:42:22 So this service that you get a use subscribe to it.
19:42:26 If you buy a new iphone sometimes Verizon throws it in for free and things like that.
19:42:30 But this is a service. So these are things that you can.
19:42:36 Apple TV is an app on your Mac. If you go look for it, you you can find it unless you're operating systems to old.
19:42:45 But it's it's a service.
19:42:48 And the Apple TV service works. The pretty much the same way on a Mac as it does on a ipad, as it does in a iphone.
19:42:57 Obviously the big difference is on a Mac. You've got a much bigger screen than you do on your ipad or iphone, but under the apple TV, plus tab, you can go through, and they've got various sundry programs that you can scroll up and down sideways one of the things that
19:43:18 we're very fond of right now is is a new series called Cyo, which is a Science Fiction series about people.
19:43:27 10,000 people live in this huge underground silo, and none of them know why, because they have a governance that basically says that history started when they moved into the silo.
19:43:40 So nobody has any idea what it's like on the outside, except they have this one external camera.
19:43:45 That shows that people go outside die. It's not a warm, fuzzy series, but it's very, very well done.
19:43:54 It's based upon a science fiction book of the same name.
19:43:58 But these these are programs that you can get through apple TV plus, and they range from series like, these are all series, or they can be movies.
19:44:14 Such as the Tom Hanks, ones that I talked to you about, and if you click on it'll give you a little preview of it.
19:44:21 Well, since I.
19:44:27 I don't know if it'll actually play this for me, because.
19:44:37 Nope, it's not going to play it.
19:44:46 I. It's not gonna play Uhhuh. It's playing it on our TV.
19:44:51 But it's not on the zoom.
19:44:55 Well, but anyway, it's it sound really well done, and but it's got a bunch of different movies.
19:45:07 300 came out there long before the apple TV existed.
19:45:11 But apparently that's showing that as well, and all kinds of there's just an awful lot of content Kathleen and I were noting that something that came up on TV had to do with somebody was doing a report on the data that people were buying.
19:45:29 For based upon people's TV habits and Kathleen and I were thinking about it other than the nightly news.
19:45:35 We don't really watch that much broadcast TV. Most of the stuff we watch is streaming.
19:45:40 And since it comes through Apple TV, they really aren't getting anything on us.
19:45:49 Then they also have a an agreement with Major League baseball, major, league, Soccer.
19:45:57 So you can much sports and and the apple TV, including things that we cannot get from your local one.
19:46:05 You can buy different movies and series, and so on and so forth.
19:46:10 Or rent them, and then of the library.
19:46:15 The you might have noticed that in the newer versions of the Mac operating system there is no itunes anymore.
19:46:20 Itunes used to have not only music, but it also had podcasts, and it had movies, and it had books, and so on, and so forth.
19:46:29 And they've split all those things out. So there's now an Ibooks.
19:46:32 And now there's a podcast, application, and so on.
19:46:35 So forth. But you're video that you used to have on your machine is now on the apple TV.
19:46:42 So if you wonder where that video went, you go look under your apple.
19:46:46 TV app and so these are things that I've recently added.
19:46:51 And these are movies. And these are TV shows, none of which I add.
19:46:54 So I have no idea where these things came from. Home videos.
19:46:59 I used to take my regular Dvds. And I used to rip them, and I'd watch them on our TV and it because those are not purchased videos.
19:47:11 A all considers those home movies so battlefield star Galactica got a whole set of Dvds of that.
19:47:18 And now they're it considers his home movies, and it's broken out by different types of genres.
19:47:27 And that's what that's what the service is, so that there's a difference between the application on the Mac, which is called apple TV.
19:47:41 The server which is called Apple TV. The service which is called apple TV-plus, and the physical device and it's kind of confusing because Apple calls all of apple TV, and I've been talking for quite a bit.
19:47:55 So do I have any questions.
19:48:03 Yes.
19:47:58 I have a Roku TV that streams only, and II have apple TV on it.
19:48:08 And I can watch Ted Lasso and some of the things they have there.
19:48:14 But.
19:48:13 Yes, but you see that that is the service and.
19:48:16 That is the service. I. It is not apple TV per se.
19:48:21 Yes. Okay.
19:48:23 That's is that the app do you call it?
19:48:26 Yes, it's the same as the app that's on your your Mac, or on your iphone or ipad.
19:48:33 That's what the Roku has. It's not the same.
19:48:36 It's not this box that encrypts your in and out, and you can't add other applications.
19:48:43 I didn't show you what some of the other applications are.
19:48:44 There are workout applications. There's a free application that you can watch penguins at a zoom that I'm very fond of, because I'm very fond of penguins.
19:48:55 There are hundreds of apps for the for this, for the physical device, and some of them are free and some of them are not you the one app that does nothing but the earth rotates, and as the earth rotates, and as the earth rotates and as the earth rotates and as the earth rotates you can watch the
19:49:15 watch as the terminator line moves in and things turn into darkness.
19:49:19 So if you watched it for 24 h, you watch a complete rotation.
19:49:22 Why, you'd want that on your TV I don't know, but I was free.
19:49:25 So I got it.
19:49:29 The screen savers on it are pretty special.
19:49:32 The screen savers are phenomenal.
19:49:34 Yes.
19:49:36 The what Apple did was they got it went out with some 4 K.
19:49:41 Or possibly Eightk. I'm not sure exactly. Cameras mounted on stabilized helicopters, stabilized cameras, mounted on stabilized helicopters, stabilized cameras mounted on a stabilized helicopters stabilized cameras on stabilized helicopters and their overhead
19:50:04 views and Greenland, and just fantastic shots, and it's Kathleen and I were joking that they, the city shots, seem to be focused on cities that have flagship apple stores.
19:50:20 So there's London, and there's New York, and there's San Francisco.
19:50:23 It's really just a joke. They were looking for just things that our iconic things.
19:50:29 And there's just and you you can set the physical device so that the screen saver is on for hours on end.
19:50:38 Normally I mindset so that if we haven't used it in 15 min it turns the cell phone.
19:50:43 But my nephew, who was in a he, was in the Air Force.
19:50:48 He wasn't a severe accent, and he had to be discharged from the Air Force he has very, very limited vision, and he likes the apple TV because he's got like an 80 inch.
19:51:01 TV he likes the Apple TV cause. He can see it, and he likes the screen saver.
19:51:08 So when he's having parties over his house. We were just at my grand niece's graduation party.
19:51:14 He'll just have screen savers play one after the other for hours on in no sound or anything.
19:51:20 Just the screen saver. And you see these slowly moving vistas of San Francisco or New York, or ice lows, and they have recently added shots from outer space and from under the ocean.
19:51:33 So it's it's really quite cool.
19:51:36 Just wish they would put on their what you're looking at, you know.
19:51:40 What is this location?
19:51:41 If you just gently tap the the circle, don't actually click it.
19:51:46 Yeah.
19:51:48 Just gently tap it. It'll briefly show up where it is.
19:51:51 Oh, cool! I'll try that.
19:51:54 Yeah, it's one of the first things that I figured out. I said.
19:51:59 There's gotta be a way to show the location, and that's the way to do it.
19:52:05 But we really like the apple TV.
19:52:10 This is an older one that we had from my, actually, this is our original one.
19:52:17 My mother was using it, and it gave her a great deal more control over her TV.
19:52:24 Then then she would have, with a regular, remote, and she liked that, although sometimes she managed to do things with it, that I'd never figured out how she had it set on a sieve assistive technologies.
19:52:42 One she wanted closed captioning, and it was reading the closed, captioning.
19:52:46 But it was reading it really, really, really fast. Neither one of us could really follow what it was saying.
19:52:50 So she did discover things that I haven't been able to do duplicate, but it gave her a great deal more control.
19:53:00 Yes.
19:53:10 Yes.
19:53:00 Lawrence, when you're subscribed to the so Youtube for your your local and nationwide news, can you go back?
19:53:14 And watch something. My whole thing is we only use the Dvr.
19:53:19 Yes.
19:53:19 We never watch, live because we don't wanna watch commercials, or it's at a time that is inconvenient for us to watch it.
19:53:27 So? Is that possible with the Youtube that you're using?
19:53:30 Yes, in fact, they call it they call it an unlimited Dvr.
19:53:37 Because you can say, record everything it will. But as an example, it's not working right now, because of the writer's strike.
19:53:48 But I never watch the tonight show, or the late show, or any of those things on, because they're too late.
19:53:54 But I can record them, and you record them just by tapping them.
19:53:58 And it says, yes, we'll record this, and you can record the entire series so you only have to do that once and it'll record it every day, and you can say record only originals or record originals and repeats, and it when they say it's unlimited
19:54:14 storage from Youtube's perspective. They're just storing a file and they're storing a software on their server.
19:54:20 And other people are probably stored that file, too. So it's not taking up any space on your apple TV or on your device at all.
19:53:32 Okay, so.
19:54:28 It's just a pointinter. So you can. You can go back and pick off any day you want and watch them in the wrong order and watch them repeatedly.
19:54:36 Can you fast forward through the commercials?
19:54:40 It depends upon what it is. It's a recording.
19:54:44 If it's something like, for example, if if you record something from a is an example of a Star trek, we were watching it on on TV.
19:54:59 But there is a Cbs or whoever has a paramount, whoever it is, they have an app, and it sees that you want watching it, and it switches you to the app. And if you're using the app they force, you to watch commercials so.
19:55:16 So you're better off to stay within apple and not go.
19:55:21 It depends. If it's not available, it depends upon how we.
19:55:27 Is, the streaming was working really nice until paramount, and Columbia, and so on.
19:55:36 So forth, decided they were gonna make money off of it. Now it's very confused, you know, whenever.
19:55:40 Yeah, we could like on certain things like, Oh, I think it's on Hulu, on my subscription, I added.
19:55:49 The of course, it's an extra cost, but to have no commercials, cause I absolutely hate commercials.
19:55:54 Yes.
19:55:56 So you pay. I don't know. 4, 99 extra for what?
19:55:59 On top of whatever you monthly is so I was wondering if the Youtube, the news part of what you're doing.
19:56:09 Yeah, yeah. If if you're watching the news and the commercial comes up.
19:56:07 If there's an option, because that's my biggest pet peeve.
19:56:15 But you've recorded it. You can just skip right over the commercial.
19:56:18 And I, wanna, okay.
19:56:20 Well, you can forward over the commercial and the the way you forward on it.
19:56:25 If you tap on this circle at the top it'll go for forward or backward, 10 s at a time, or you can just hold it down, and it'll scroll through it so.
19:56:33 I definitely need to do what Ron did there and figure out the sensitivity.
19:56:38 I mean you can hardly even put it in your hand.
19:56:41 In that sucker goes all over the place, and then.
19:56:43 Yup, that's the problem we were having. Yup, it's all gone now.
19:56:45 Yeah, bye.
19:56:44 Yeah. Well, the older ones that had the black control.
19:56:49 See, II have the older one. Mine's not that new one that you have.
19:56:54 The ones with the black control, I used to say really bad things about it, but the this one's not.
19:56:59 Yeah, we have worked with it, and it wasn't pretty.
19:57:02 This one's not bad. The other thing that you can do with apple TV is that you can.
19:57:10 Oh, I have the remote on my phone for that exact reason.
19:57:15 Yeah.
19:57:13 Yes, I'm gonna switch back to sharing notes that people can see this.
19:57:23 Oh, no, that's not how to do it.
19:57:26 I'm not going to do it that way. Stop! Go away!
19:57:32 I get a move it closer to the camera and it went to sleep.
19:57:37 So huh! That is a an apple TV remote on my phone.
19:57:47 And if you have the current model of the apple of the iphone operating system, it's on there already.
19:57:55 If you go into control center, you can add a whole bunch of different things to your phone and including for flashlights, apple TV, remote magnifier code scanner screen recorder, voice, mammal, a whole bunch of stuff that you can add and so I added the remote so
19:58:17 that I can control. We have a frequent issue that we'll.
19:58:21 We'll watch the news during dinner, and I'll leave the remote closer to the TV.
19:58:27 We're sitting at the table, and we want to do something.
19:58:31 So just take out your phone and and control the TV without.
19:58:37 Getting it from dinner. So it's really handy.
19:58:43 I can see you're really impressed with the fact that I can control my TV with my phone.
19:58:47 But it really is quite cool.
19:58:49 I was just looking at it so. But the TV itself has to be on because it says, which television does it want?
19:58:57 Well, believe it or not. That's not true anymore. If you have something like a home pond, I'm not gonna demonstrate it right now.
19:59:04 But there's a trigger word to use to talk to the homep that may or may not be Seri.
19:59:10 But I will. I will tell the homepod to turn on the TV and turn on the TV.
19:59:15 Well, you're just that sophisticated.
19:59:18 Here's what I found. And I'll stop it.
19:59:23 I was trying to avoid that. But my watch is trying to tell me how to do this.
19:59:27 Once the TV is on, you still can't launch anything.
19:59:32 But I found out that I can say, launch Youtube, TV and the launch Youtube TV won't change channels.
19:59:40 But at least I've got Youtube TV up. So I can do that just with my voice.
19:59:43 Well, then, the remote works on the, on the phone. It'll find it.
19:59:47 Then the remote works on the phone.
19:59:49 I got it. Okay.
19:59:50 Yeah, it's quite cool.
19:59:55 So it's a little bit confusing. But there are 3 different apple Tvs.
20:00:00 The device, the the service, and the app, and the app on on your, on your roku, or on your Mac, or on your ipad or your iphone.
20:00:17 Does some things, and if you subscribe to the service, it does more things.
20:00:22 But if you have this box it does a lot more stuff.
20:00:24 So it's a little bit confusing.
20:00:30 Any other questions?
20:00:33 Doesn't have to be about apple TV can be about something else.
20:00:37 We were talking about.
20:00:40 How many of you are gonna go out and buy on $11,000, Mac.
20:00:46 Pro with with a hundred 92 GB of Rand.
20:00:53 We'll leave that to you.
20:00:57 The.
20:00:56 And then you can teach us.
20:00:58 Yeah, yeah.
20:01:00 The the Mac pro comes in 2 different versions. One is a regular one, that you know goes upright, but then they also have one.
20:01:08 That's rackbound, so you can buy a whole bunch of them, and I know somebody who put in an order for a of those.
20:01:19 They crack diplomatic codes for a living, so they're using them to do.
20:01:27 Hi-in cryptography.
20:01:31 But II don't have that need, so my needs are more modest.
20:01:40 Any other questions?
20:01:43 How do you like your apple studio display?
20:01:49 When well, I like the apple studio display.
20:01:53 I the the sound for something like this. The sound is fine when I'm watching a movie, it doesn't have the.
20:02:00 The it's not as doesn't sound as full as listening to a month home pods, or something like that.
20:02:07 But that's about the only place there's really not top-notch I'm a photographer, and I really really liked the color foridelity.
20:02:16 It's much more accurate than any other display I've ever had.
20:02:20 It's got a hub on the back so I can plug other things into it.
20:02:24 It's I really like it a lot. I was a little bit surprised, though, when my old monitor died, and I wanted to get something that had comparable specs because if you're looking at really accurate color on one screen, and then you turn to this other screen and the colors are different
20:02:42 it's really annoying. And to get something that had decent specs costs as much as the apple studio.
20:02:50 And yet it doesn't have the security chip inside.
20:02:53 It doesn't have the the Usbc. Ports on the back.
20:02:59 It's just it's just not nearly as capable.
20:03:03 And yet the price is comparable so that took me by surprise.
20:03:08 I was not expecting that so it's even a better bargain, I guess, than I thought it was.
20:03:13 It's not cheap, but it's I'm really impressed with it.
20:03:23 No other questions. I have a question. Then what are we gonna do next month?
20:03:31 How about a session on how to use apple maps, especially?
20:03:36 How to use. Say for us service maps with apple maps so you can use Gp.
20:03:45 Hmm!
20:03:43 S. For example, when you're hiking.
20:03:47 That's a good question. I don't even know if I know the answer to that.
20:03:52 I have some friends who are really fascinated with this one app, and I can't remember the name of it.
20:03:58 That it's a server, so it costs money, and I haven't invested.
20:04:02 There's all trails for one, and there's a G.
20:04:05 A IA, or something like that. The other one?
20:04:08 I think all trails is the one they were using.
20:04:12 But it's specifically designed. So you can use your iphone when you're nowhere near cell towers, and it uses the Gp in it to update the map of where you're going.
20:04:23 And it's based upon some fairly high definition.
20:04:28 Trail maps and using us Forest Service and Us.
20:04:34 Park service databases, but it costs money, and I've never used it.
20:04:40 Hi! I've reached the age of my life that if I'm not near a road I probably don't wanna be there so.
20:04:49 If my bicycle can't go there, I probably shouldn't go there.
20:04:56 Other ideas.
20:04:59 I'm not opposed to doing the apple maps thing.
20:05:02 For one thing, I've been shocked at how improved apple maps is.
20:05:08 We used to use Google Maps for everything. And I'm just really impressed with the progress apple has made with apple maps and it's getting the press.
20:05:21 Now that Google mimics some of the apple maps feature.
20:05:24 If you are writing a bike, for example, and you're telling it where you want to go, the your watch will will tap to tell you whether or not you're supposed to turn left or right, and that worked also when you were in the car with taps tell you turn left.
20:05:44 Or right. And now Google does that too, which is which is new.
20:05:49 It took me by surprise when when Google started doing that.
20:05:52 So they Google's learning from apple. So they've greatly improved it.
20:05:59 And if you're in a city particularly San Francisco or New York apple maps, just is phenomenal when you come out of the subway it'll tell you which direction to turn to when you're in the subway and you're spiraling upwards you lose track of
20:06:15 which way is north? Which way south and apple maps will tell you to turn that way, and Google will kind of just strand you on the street and tell you to figure it out.
20:06:24 So I've been impressed with the what they've done.
20:06:28 I'm interested.
20:06:27 Didn't for a while, but it was apple maps was so bad they used Google as well.
20:06:36 But when we came cross country in 2,018, we use Google Maps.
20:06:41 We did not use apple maps, because as soon as we hit the deserts in the Western United States we weren't going to.
20:06:50 We weren't going to subject ourselves to that, we might have ended up in Mexico or Canada.
20:06:56 So we skip that we moved that here we went the southern route because there were having terrific snowstorms in the north.
20:07:06 So we went through Mississippi and Texas and Arizona, and whence, when you're in West Texas, from there to California.
20:07:18 Well, wireless signals are really kind of hard to come by.
20:07:24 But Google Maps would just use GPS and send us on our way, and apple maps would get confused.
20:07:32 I'm interested in tracing ships in the Straits.
20:07:40 Is there an app that's good for that?
20:07:42 Yes.
20:07:44 There are, and there are so apps that'll tell you that with large planes are flying overhead, it'll tell you what those planes are and where they're going.
20:07:55 But there are apps for tracking ships and their apps for tracking planes.
20:08:01 When the Coast Guard does, one of their rescue flights?
20:08:04 That's those aren't logs. So won't help you with that.
20:08:08 But for most things it'll. It'll tell you what the plane is overhead, or you could look at a ship and say, What is that?
20:08:17 Okay.
20:08:15 And and assuming that your sense of direction's halfway decent, you can look at this app, and it'll tell you what that ship is.
20:08:22 So!
20:08:29 Yup!
20:08:22 Carol, I would download the app called the Marine Traffic it's so cool we use it on a nightly basis because we see the the cruise ships going in and out or at night when they're coming back in.
20:08:38 And so we want to know which one we just earlier, we're using it trying to see the cruise ships that went by yesterday.
20:08:45 How far north they had gotten to Alaska, and then I was looking at in Alaska the ones that are heading back that'll be coming through here, usually at about 2 or 3 in the morning.
20:08:57 They come back through the street you can pay for the app, and then you it's like, I think it's a monthly subscription.
20:09:04 I personally didn't find it necessary, because I didn't need all the information, but it definitely.
20:09:10 You can try it, and then see if you want to know way.
20:09:15 More details about the specific ship or the speeds, how there are certain things that are locked on that you can't get without subscription.
20:09:28 But like I said, I'm I'm okay with just seeing the pictures and where it left, and what it's destination is.
20:09:34 Yeah, I live on Dunyness day. So I'd like to.
20:09:37 Okay.
20:09:39 I'd like to have that. I don't care where I mean.
20:09:42 I've been on Alaskan cruise, and I didn't see the lighthouse because we stopped at Victoria, and then you were too far away. Then.
20:09:58 Thank you.
20:09:52 Oh, I see. Yeah, but we find the marine traffic super interesting. Yeah.
20:10:01 By the time I think they leave in Seattle at 5, and at 70' clock they're in front of our house.
20:10:04 Yeah, yeah.
20:10:04 Yeah.
20:10:06 I think you can save favorite votes, too. You know both names or their call signs, or whatever it is, and then you can ask where it is right now, like full star. You know one of those, and it'll show you where it is, and it'll show you where it is and instantly and what they're up to.
20:10:28 Oh!
20:10:32 Yeah.
20:10:33 Hmm!
20:10:24 Yeah, I did that. But I didn't keep paying but that's part of the paid subscription so you can follow your favorite cruise ships, or whatever it is that you're in.
20:10:35 Not a cool thing you're into.
20:10:39 Any other suggestions as to what we do next month.
20:10:47 Okay. Well, if you come up with something, even email me and we'll see what we can do.
20:10:54 Awesome. Also, there's there is a possibility.
20:10:58 I might have jury duty next month that could scare us up.
20:11:04 This courts have been way, way way backed up, so the chance that they won't select me for something is probably fairly small, but it might be, you know, case of shoplifting, or it could be something big.
20:11:20 Have no idea but we shall find out any.
20:11:22 Did you say that you didn't have a sign in sheet?
20:11:27 No, I forgot.
20:11:32 Sorry.
20:11:35 I don't think he really is.
20:11:38 Well, it. It is nice for keeping track, so it would.
20:11:43 It would have been helpful if I'd remembered.
20:11:46 I'm I'm sure Chris wrote it all down.
20:11:49 Yeah, I think she was writing.
20:11:51 I'm a member of. I'm an officer of another user group in the in the DC area, and on Saturday we had Rob Pegoraro, who was a Washington post columnist who wrote about computers and such, and he asked if they had a
20:12:08 sign-in sheet. And there's this deathly silence, because he had.
20:12:12 He goes to these conferences worldwide conferences, where he talks about personal electronics.
20:12:19 So appliance, conferences and computer conferences and security conferences.
20:12:25 And they give them these bags full of stuff, quite often quite useless, sometimes quite useful.
20:12:31 And he was giving away this stuff, and he wanted to use the sign in sheet for a drawing, and he said, Do you have a sign in sheet?
20:12:38 Deathly silence. 80 people in the room, no sign in sheets, so they.
20:12:45 He gave the stuff away. Anyway, it was oh, well, such as live.
20:12:54 Anything else.
20:12:56 Something we might consider is everybody bringing their favorite app that they like, or something, and sharing it with a group either either.
20:13:06 I would I would be fascinated with that if you could.
20:13:10 That's a good idea, that talk about your favorite iphone app or ipad app, or just app on your on your computer.
20:13:21 I find that what I use my computer for today is so radically different of what I used it for in 1,977 that it's not even I, personally wrote my first word processor.
20:13:35 I bought it, so I could turn it into a magic typewriter.
20:13:40 Nobody had written a word processor for my machine, so I wrote my own when I was at Noaa.
20:13:46 They didn't have. You couldn't get Web servers. Software didn't exist.
20:13:52 So I wrote the Web Server software for my agency, and that that that software was our first webinar.
20:13:59 So the kinds of things that I used to do with computers is very different than what I do today.
20:14:04 So I'd be, I'd be very curious what your favorite apps are. So we should definitely do that.
20:14:13 That's something that we could do every month, I mean, just does anybody have their paper or something like that?
20:14:18 Yup!
20:14:19 Give a 2 min, feel on it, or something.
20:14:21 Or if you got something new that you just think is super cool.
20:14:26 Then, yeah, that sounds like an excellent idea.
20:14:29 It doesn't happen. You don't have to listen to me every month.
20:14:32 We enjoy it, though.
20:14:36 Well, thank you. Good night.
20:14:39 Thank you.
20:14:38 Thank yo
Apple has issued three sets of emergency patches, for Safari, iOS, iPadOS, and macOS. Users are encouraged to install these patches immediately.
Note: as of July 11, 2023, these updates are not currently being distributed.
This may be a temporary thing. Or not.
Excerpts from Apple’s Security Announce mailing list:
Safari updates
Safari is updated for macOS Big Sur and macOS Monterey. Safari is also updated on macOS Ventura, iPadOS, and iOS, but it is bundled in with operating system updates.
APPLE-SA-2023-07-10-1 Safari 16.5.2
Safari 16.5.2 addresses the following issues.
Information about the security content is also available at
https://support.apple.com/kb/HT213826.
Apple maintains a Security Updates page at
https://support.apple.com/HT201222 which lists recent
software updates with security advisories.
WebKit
Available for: macOS Big Sur and macOS Monterey
Impact: Processing web content may lead to arbitrary code execution.
Apple is aware of a report that this issue may have been actively
exploited.
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
CVE-2023-37450: an anonymous researcher
All information is also posted on the Apple Security Updates
web site: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222.
iOS and iPadOS updates
These updates include the new version of Safari. The parenthetical (a) in the version indicates it is a focused security update, and includes no other changes.
APPLE-SA-2023-07-10-2 Rapid Security Responses for iOS 16.5.1 and iPadOS 16.5.1
Rapid Security Responses for iOS 16.5.1 and iPadOS 16.5.1 addresses the following issues.
Information about the security content is also available at
https://support.apple.com/kb/HT213823.
Apple maintains a Security Updates page at
https://support.apple.com/HT201222 which lists recent
software updates with security advisories.
This document describes the content of Rapid Security Responses.
About Rapid Security Responses
Rapid Security Responses deliver important security improvements between
software updates and are available only for the latest versions of iOS,
iPadOS, and macOS. Learn more about Rapid Security Responses.
Recent releases are listed on the Apple security releases page.
iOS 16.5.1 (a) and iPadOS 16.5.1 (a)
WebKit
Available for: iOS 16.5.1 and iPadOS 16.5.1
Impact: Processing web content may lead to arbitrary code execution.
Apple is aware of a report that this issue may have been actively
exploited.
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
CVE-2023-37450: an anonymous researcher
All information is also posted on the Apple Security Updates
web site: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222.
macOS Ventura 13.4.1 (a)
The parenthetical (a) indicates this is a targeted security update to Ventura 13.4.1, and includes nothing beyond the security updates. It includes the new version of Safari.
APPLE-SA-2023-07-10-3 Rapid Security Responses for macOS Ventura 13.4.1
Rapid Security Responses for macOS Ventura 13.4.1 addresses the following issues.
Information about the security content is also available at
https://support.apple.com/kb/HT213825.
Apple maintains a Security Updates page at
https://support.apple.com/HT201222 which lists recent
software updates with security advisories.
This document describes the content of Rapid Security Responses.
About Rapid Security Responses
Rapid Security Responses deliver important security improvements between
software updates and are available only for the latest versions of iOS,
iPadOS, and macOS. Learn more about Rapid Security Responses.
Recent releases are listed on the Apple security releases page.
macOS Ventura 13.4.1 (a)
WebKit
Available for: macOS Ventura 13.4.1
Impact: Processing web content may lead to arbitrary code execution.
Apple is aware of a report that this issue may have been actively
exploited.
Description: The issue was addressed with improved checks.
CVE-2023-37450: an anonymous researcher
All information is also posted on the Apple Security Updates
web site: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222.
You are strongly encouraged to have your Mac, iPhone, and iPad install all updates automatically. If you notice these devices haven’t installed the update in a day or two, automatically, go into your settings and request an immediate update.
Apple issued a whole bunch of security patches for Safari, iOS, iPadOS, watchOS, and macOS yesterday. The patches address a kernel-level flaw in the various operating systems, and a flaw in WebKit, the programming framework used by Safari, Apple Mail, and a ridiculously large number of other applications and utilities.
The patches are:
Safari 16.5.1 – for macOS Big Sur and macOS Monterey (included in the updates for Big Sur and Monterey, shown below)
iOS 16.5.1 – for iPhone 8 and later
iPadOS 16.5.1 – for iPad Pro (all models), iPad Air 3rd generation and later, iPad 5th generation and later, and iPad mini 5th generation or later
iOS 15.7.7 – for iPhone 6S (all models), iPhone 7 (all models), iPhone SE (1st generation)
iPadOS 15.7.7 – for iPad Air 2, iPad mini (4th generation), and iPod touch (7th generation)
macOS Ventura 13.4.1 – for all Macs running Ventura
macOS Monterey 12.6.7 – for all Macs running Monterey
macOS Big Sur 11.7.8 – for all Macs running Big Sur
watchOS 9.5.2 – for Apple Watch Series 4 or later
watchOS 8.8.1 – for Apple Watch Series 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and SE
