When computer user groups first started up in the 1970s, they operated something like grade school “show and tell.” Users – almost all male – would show up with their $5,000 computers sporting 8K of memory and a cassette tape storage device and show off a program they’d written that computed the value of pi to six places, or something equally clever and not all that useful. Within a few years, the “show and tell” had advanced to commercially purchased programs, with users saying how much they loved a new program that tracked the inventory in the kitchen pantry, or kept bowling league statistics, or allowed them to make and print custom birthday cards for their kids.
Times may have changed, but the July meeting had the same grass-roots excitement as the old days as members talked about their favorite iPhone, iPad, and Macintosh applications (apps). But first —
Q: I have a new laptop. I set it up to use Time Machine with an external drive, but it will only do manual backups, not scheduled backups.
A: Did you reformat the external drive? Most drives you buy at Costco or Amazon come with a bunch of junk on them, including adware (software that constantly insists you pay to upgrade it to a “pro” version), and the drives are not formatted for Time Machine. Time Machine requires the drive to be formatted (using Disk Utility) with a macOS partition and must be case-sensitive. Normally, it is a bad idea to make a drive case-sensitive, but this is mandatory for Time Machine backups.
Also, keep in mind that Time Machine does backups, not archives. It is designed to help you quickly recover from a problem, not to store everything in an archive.
Q: Since last week my iPad disconnects from the Internet; sometimes once an evening. Is something wrong?
A: Possibly, but it could be your internet service provider (ISP). For the last 6-7 months, between 5 p.m. and 7:30 p.m., our Astound/Wave connection stalls. In our neighborhood, Wave is installing a second backbone. Lawrence predicts turmoil in the next few years for Internet providers. The state and federal governments are pushing broadband providers in rural areas to increase speed and stability. Investment by the government goes to companies that can show they are expanding and building out the infrastructure. People moved from cities to suburbs during the pandemic. The federal infrastructure bill requires evidence of building out broadband into areas not previously served. This will create churn in the industry.
Q: Are (local) internet lines underground?
A: On the Olympic Peninsula, fiber optic cables may be underground, depending on where you are located. Putting up poles is easier and cheaper, but in the long run, poles are more vulnerable; if cables are underground, they are better protected and easier to repair if there is a break.
Q: Apple Watch – why get this? [This question was asked during the program, as many of the apps mentioned could be viewed or triggered from an Apple Watch]
A: In addition to telling time, date, and other useful things, the Apple Watch has Fall Detection (can detect a fall and dial 911); Medical Alerts; track sleep; tract activity; heart rate; exposure to loud sounds; can use with iPhone to receive calls; can receive family alerts; tracks O2 levels in the blood; can do an EKG; linked to Apple Health App; can work with medication schedule on phone and Watch will prompt to take medications; voice memos, get weather, track tides – hundreds of things.
Apple recently released emergency security updates for all devices, dating back to Monterey and Big Sur. Check About This Mac (or the equivalent on your iPhone, iPad, or Apple TV).
Expect more updates before macOS Sonoma and iOS17 are released this fall.
Presentation: Bring your favorite app
Apple App Store note: if you already own an app, it is hard to see the cost, as the button that normally shows cost is replaced by an offer to open the app, or to download it. Some price and subscription information can be found if you scroll through the description. Some apps are “free” and limited, or just a free demo, with a working version costing money. Some apps have multiple versions, ranging from free to a Pro version.
Apple App Store downloads, including free purchases, require an Apple ID to verify who gets the app.
If you have an Apple Silicon-based Mac, quite a few iPhone and iPad apps will work on those Macs, though sometimes they aren’t very useful on a desktop
Apps mentioned during the meeting:
Merlin Bird by Cornell Lab; identify birds by sound and sight: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/merlin-bird-id-by-cornell-lab/id773457673
Picture This, plant identification: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/picturethis-plant-identifier/id1252497129
Seek, plant and animal identification: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/seek-by-inaturalist/id1353224144
iMovie (on Mac, iPad, iPhone), make and edit video: https://www.apple.com/imovie/
Footpath, map routes on trails on your iPad, https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/footpath-route-planner/id634845718
Strava, record your walk, run, hike, biking, using your iPhone; records map, distance, time, and elevation, https://apps.apple.com/us/app/strava-run-bike-hike/id426826309
Gaia (“Gaia” is the Greek goddess of the Earth); shows trails, useful for mountain biking and hiking. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/gaia-gps-mobile-trail-maps/id1201979492
BBEdit, a text editor for programming (Perl, HTML, Swift, Unix command line, etc.); highlights syntax by color, and spell checks code: https://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
TexShop – typeset equations as PDF then copy and paste into PowerPoint; for Mac and iPad – better with a keyboard: https://tug.org/mactex/mactex-download.html
Libby, can check out library electronic books or audiobooks, can listen to books; do not own the book but check it out; can get on a waitlist; two weeks to read the book; may renew; supported by Sequim Library and North Olympic Library System; https://apps.apple.com/sz/app/libby-by-overdrive/id1076402606
Apple Watch Timer; set choices to select time or type in a time; will sound and trigger Haptic Touch on Watch; https://support.apple.com/guide/watch/timers-apdf448955b2/watchos
Reminders, available on Mac, iPhone, iPad, Watch; can set time reminders, calendar reminders, or can trigger a reminder when you are near a location; alerts can appear on the lock screen of your phone or iPad, or on Apple Watch; https://support.apple.com/guide/watch/reminders-apdf10efb1bf/watchos
Tide Pro – iPhone shows tide high and low times, https://apps.apple.com/us/app/tide-pro/id1528292517
Ocean Watch – gives tides, can put a complication on Apple Watch to see tide; useful for photography if you want to photo particular types of surf or shore; https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ocean-watch/id865207409
Watch Duty – wildfire maps and alert app; https://www.watchduty.org
Ferry Friend ; easy interface to see ferry dock camera views, alerts, and schedule; https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ferryfriend/id918755226
Photo Pills, assists in combining stars and sky into elegant photos; suggest times and what can be seen, so can set up a location at the right moment; teaching videos; https://apps.apple.com/us/app/photopills/id596026805
Altimeter shows altitude, and can calibrate via barometric pressure or GPS; https://apps.apple.com/us/app/altimeter/id417204570?platform=iphone
Peak Finder, hold iPad or Phone camera up to see the outline of hills and the app names them, and gives altitudes; anywhere in the world; https://apps.apple.com/us/app/peakfinder/id357421934
Ship Finder, point your iPhone toward the ship and will get information about the ship; https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ship-finder/id363360636
Marine Traffic – provides an airplane view of what you see out on Puget Sound or the Strait or ocean; https://apps.apple.com/us/app/marinetraffic-ship-tracking/id563910324
Maps 3D, three-dimensional maps for hiking, biking, and skiing; https://www.movingworld.de
Apple Calendar, works with Car Play to show travel time and give directions automatically, on Mac, iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch, https://apps.apple.com/us/app/calendar/id1108185179
A Better Finder Rename
A Better Finder Rename, can change dozens or hundreds of file names at once, e.g., 1080p, will find and replace; e.g., image followed by a number – replace with the location where the photo was taken; may take a while if doing 10K files https://www.publicspace.net/ABetterFinderRename/index.html
Terminal, use built-in Unix commands on your Mac (note Table of Contents link on the page below); https://support.apple.com/guide/terminal/welcome/mac
SkyView, – star identification if point phone at the sky; e.g., Mercury, Saturn and Venus; https://apps.apple.com/us/app/skyview/id404990064
Star Walk, star and planet identification, https://apps.apple.com/us/app/star-walk-find-stars-planets/id295430577
Solar Walk 2
Solar Walk 2 , solar system planetarium; https://apps.apple.com/us/app/solar-walk-2-solar-system-3d/id1031155880
Satellite Finder, identify satellites, align antenna, https://apps.apple.com/us/app/satellite-finder-pro/id1075788157
Red Shift, detailed information about the sky; https://apps.apple.com/us/app/redshift-sky-pro/id1481865153
Note: some of astronomical applications can work with a computerized telescope to automatically point and focus the telescope at particular stars or nebula or planets.
Shazam, tells what the song is by sound; built into the iPhone; go to settings, add “music recognition” to the control center; can turn on auto-Shazam; https://apps.apple.com/us/app/shazam-music-discovery/id284993459
Magnifying Glass, use iPhone to read fine print, small bugs, coins, etc.; https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209517
Next month – August 2023: Apple Maps; custom maps? (Google Map will do this); maybe? Or we will do something else.
Video of July 2023 meeting
Transcripts are automatically generated from Zoom via Zoom’s automated closed captioning.
18:32:42 Suppose captioning. So that we have a transcript. 18:32:51 And one more thing I need to do that I forgot to do as I did not make. Hey. 18:33:01 Hey, sign in shape. So I need to do something about that. But in the meantime, I can talk about. 18:33:11 Questions and answers if somebody has questions. Thomas. 18:33:18 Anybody have questions? 18:33:21 No, I had a question. I, last week but The new, laptop, M 2 max. 18:33:33 Laptop and I got Ventura installed on it my old laptop was so 8 years old wouldn't run Ventura so I can only run Monterey on it. 18:33:45 And everything went well. I used migration assistant. I actually installed all the applications from scratch without migration assistance so that I got the versions that were compatible with. 18:33:59 With the new operating system. And, everything was working fine. Except for one thing. 18:34:07 And I noted and I bought a brand new. External drive, to do time machine with. And it just wouldn't do automatic backups to the my new drive. 18:34:24 I it would do manual backups. Yes, and and all the files were there. And so I was doing manual backups, yes, and all the files were there. And so I was doing manual backups. 18:34:32 But on my old laptop, I had this. App called Time Machine Editor. 18:34:38 And it let you schedule the backups at your leisure. So I looked on the internet to see if there was a version compatible with Ventura. 18:34:47 Sure enough, the newest version of Time Machine Editor. Is, is for Ventura. 18:34:54 And so I downloaded it. And now it works fine. I could do hourly backups every other. 18:35:03 You know, every other hour, every 4 h, every 10 h, every day. Once a day, twice a day, 3 times a day. 18:35:12 You know, it has all these features. And actually, I made a little PDF. 18:35:22 Okay. 18:35:16 2 page PDF. That shows how that works. I don't know if you, I don't know if you could put that on. 18:35:26 Send it to me. Usually if people can't make backups with, First of all, I would not I would never ever ever have time machine run using your custom schedule. 18:35:39 But it doesn't do it. 18:35:38 It's designed to work on its own schedule. And you can well yes but you see there's something that you probably didn't do time machine the drive needs to be formatted. 18:35:48 When you plugged it in, did you format it? 18:35:50 It was already 4 min 8 PFS. 18:35:53 Yes, but it needs to be APFS case sensitive. 18:35:58 Oh. Oh. 18:35:59 And if it's not formatted, APFS case sensitive. It won't work right. 18:36:06 Yeah, it won't actually do the buy backups properly. So when you plug it in for the very first time and you launched Time Machine and pointed at at time machine or even before then when it sees the external drive. 18:36:19 Your Mac should offer to format it as a time machine drive and whatever you do don't cancel that you should let it do that and if it wasn't form formatting this APFS case sensitive You might want to go back and, do that. 18:36:34 Because the reason why that's necessary is that when it's backing stuff up, it's backing up just staggering amounts of stuff, including things that you can't see. 18:36:44 And Unix itself is case sensitive. You don't notice it because Apple has for the Mac operating system, it they make it case insensitive so that if you have uppercase A's and lowercase a's and they sort they'll still sort in alphabetical order. 18:37:04 Okay. 18:36:59 But for the time machine and actually 18:37:08 I'm not even sure if that's actually I've got a time machine back put up drive right here. 18:37:13 I shall ask it what it says it is. 18:37:16 So you can't do that after the fact and put the case in. I have to reformat it. 18:37:22 Unless it says the easiest way to find out is to click on the drive once say command I to bring up get info. 18:37:30 And if it says APFS case sensitive, then you're in good shape. And if not, then yeah, you really do need to reformat it. 18:37:38 I'm gonna share my screen because that way I can. Show you. 18:37:48 This is my time machine drive. Which is, over here behind this thing that I can't see right now. 18:38:10 Oh, okay. 18:37:55 This is my, where is my time machine? This thing says time travel is my time machine drive. And yes, that's a that's a, Star Trek, our fleet and logo there but anyway you'll see up here it says APFS case sensitive And that is when people say I plugged 18:38:15 in the drive and it didn't work, the first thing they didn't do is when people say I plugged in the drive and it didn't work the drive and it didn't work, the first thing they didn't do was they didn't reformat the drive. 18:38:22 You should never ever ever take a drive. In fact, I don't even to the drive. You should never ever ever ever take a drive. 18:38:27 In fact, I don't even, ever, ever, ever take a drive. In fact, I don't even just take computers when I buy a new computer. 18:38:29 The very first thing because I don't know what's on the I don't know what's on the drive. 18:38:33 Now if you don't have a fast internet and you reformat your Mac, That could be a you could be in a world of hurt because you need to download the new operating system afterwards and that's kind of difficult if you just. 18:38:47 If you just. 18:38:47 Yeah, well I haven't had trouble other than not having the backups work. 18:38:52 No, if you have a brand new Mac, I wouldn't worry about it. Because I'm just saying that I used to do that because I used to do security for the government and that was part of our protocol. 18:39:04 I can't really tell you the details, but we had good reason to went to do it that way. 18:39:10 So we reformatted everything as soon as it came in no matter what it just blew away what was on top of it. 18:39:18 As soon as it came in, no matter what, and just blew away what was on top of it. 18:39:19 On PCs, for example, PCs, for example, PCs, for example, PCs just come out of it. 18:39:21 On PCs, for example, PCs just come loaded with a bunch of Adwords. 18:39:21 You go into Best Bine, you buy a Windows machine. It's just come loaded with a bunch of adware. 18:39:27 If you go into Best Buy, you buy a Windows machine. It comes with a demo, a Windows machine. 18:39:28 It comes with a demo version of a Windows machine. It comes with a demo version of Mccaffy, a Windows machine. 18:39:34 It comes with a demo version of McCaffy that that expires after 90 days. And in the meantime, is it yells at you to update the subscription and you get adds it yells at you to update. 18:39:46 And in the meantime, it yells at you to update the subscription and you get ads from whoever. 18:39:48 Like if you buy it from ACS, you'll get So you really want to be a part of our Xbox family, don't you? 18:39:50 No, I don't. Now I don't. So, 18:39:53 Okay, well I guess I've only got a week's worth of data. The backup so I could easily reformat it and not lose much. 18:40:02 You won't lose anything because remember it's not an archive. It's a backup. 18:40:07 It backs up what you have. It's not an archive. If you want an archive, You want to lose anything. 18:40:14 So. 18:40:10 That's right, I won't lose anything. Yeah, in fact. You know, I had made changes and updates and things like that. 18:40:26 Yeah. 18:40:21 So Everything's done now kind of except that so it'll be easy to reformat it case sensitive and then you saying it should work automatically at that point. 18:40:31 You still have to tell time machine you have to point it to it and say use that. But. But and 18:40:36 Yeah, oh yeah, I did that right. Yeah, and I didn't realize that you know it came out of the box It said oh Mac ready you know and 18:40:44 Well, keep in mind, keep in mind that time machine, you use this 8 year old utility with time machine. 18:40:52 Time machine has changed drastically. Since then, the operating system is different. The processor is different. 18:41:01 Everything's different. 18:40:59 The disk drive formatting is different and you don't it's not HFS plus anymore it's It's APFS. 18:41:04 Right, right. 18:41:07 So there's nothing at all that's in common with your old machine. 18:41:10 Oh no, no, I downloaded the new scheduler from the internet for and it said Ventura. 18:41:17 Yeah, but I still, I, my, once you do the initial update, the initial update, the initial backup tapes forever because it's backing up everything. 18:41:28 Right. 18:41:28 But after you do that, just ignore it. It backs up every hour. You'll never notice that it's backing it up. 18:41:32 Right. Oh yeah, I have a 4 TB external drive. 18:41:36 Yeah, so don't do that. But the my time machine backup drive is a 4 TB. 18:41:42 My time machine backup drive is a 4 TB. What is this? Toshiba that I got from Amazon. 18:41:46 So solid state drive, 108 bucks plus Tax license, dealer prep, so on and so forth. 18:41:51 And it just backs up and I ignore it. 18:41:53 Yeah. Okay, I'll try that. Thank you. 18:41:59 So I actually had an answer for that. 18:42:01 Yeah, that was great. Thanks again. 18:42:08 Any other questions? 18:42:10 I have a question that. Trouble shooting type question. In the last week, approximately last week, 18:42:21 Both of our iPads have started. Disconnecting from the internet. One more than the other, but it's. 18:42:28 It happens once or twice an evening. For no reason that we can determine. The yes 18:42:35 Are you on wave? Okay, that's your answer. See another answer. 18:42:42 Yeah, okay. Care to elaborate. 18:42:48 Kathleen and I have noticed we want the news every night and we stream it via, YouTube, TV, which is Google. 18:42:56 And we use YouTube just TV because that way we can get Seattle news, news stations. And for the last. 18:43:05 6 7 months sometime between 5 and 7 30 every day every single day including weekends. We lose the internet for a few minutes. 18:43:17 And usually right in the middle of the news. So and the latest news from South Florida is and then you wait 5 min 2 min whatever for you to find out what happened in South Florida because it's just it just stalls. 18:43:35 We do know that in our local area. We live in sun wave has been running fiber here so that instead of having one fiber bundle come into our neighbourhood. They have to. 18:43:49 The way wave and everybody else works it. They run a big pipe and it's not a party but it's a wire but they run a big pipe into your neighborhood and then they split it off so that If you get up at 4 30 in the morning, you usually have great internet speeds because nobody's on, but around dinner time you have a whole bunch 18:44:08 of people get on that stalls. Is not probably not that. Reason, but it could be. We just think that day that the day shift leaves that wave and the guys for the evening have it come on and check the boxes. That wave and the guys for the evening have it come on and check the boxes or who knows what they're doing. 18:44:29 Maybe they're plugging in the guys for the evening haven't come on and check the boxes or who knows what they're doing. 18:44:32 Maybe they're plugging in their X boxes. We don't know. But it seems to happen at a fairly standard time every night. 18:44:35 And we don't know what they're doing, but we do know that locally they are putting in. 18:44:40 Additional cables. I expect a fairly great turmoil in the internet provider. Ranks in the next few years. 18:44:50 Because. The infrastructure, I can't remember what the infrastructure act is. One of the things that has is that one spring broadband to everybody in the country. 18:45:01 And into into the inner cities and into rural areas and so on. And broadband in. Clown County is. 18:45:14 It's broadband because the industry says it's broadband. If you have 2 megabits per second or faster the industry considers it broadband. 18:45:26 Now in Korea broadband is considered gigabyte which is 500 times faster than what the industry in the United States says it is. 18:45:35 But they're trying to increase the speed. Well, if you think about the billions of dollars that they say they're going to invest in this. 18:45:42 Is that money coming into you? Is that coming coming to me? No, it's going to the. 18:45:48 Is going to the internet providers. It's going to Comcast and and wave and and those people. 18:45:58 But in order for them to qualify it, they have to show that they're actually building out. About 20 years ago, Verizon started advertising they had FIOS. 18:46:11 Now, FIOS is just a trade name for fiber optic. You could get fiber optic at home with files. 18:46:16 And, they started advertising this heavily on TV. Kathleen and I signed up for it when we were in Columbia, Maryland and when at the time that we left, we were getting. 18:46:28 Dig a bit down and dig a bit up. to our home and it didn't cost that much more than what some people were doing for DSL. 18:46:40 By about 10 years ago. The powers that be at, that at Verizon decided they they were going to melt their cow and they decided to stop expanding their network and they were just going to sell it to new people into areas that they'd already built out. 18:46:57 So they weren't going to expand anymore. They were just going to sell it to more customers and whatever customer area they happen to be. 18:47:03 And they were going to pocket the money that they would have. Done on investment. So. They kept on advertising files, but they didn't actually start building it out anymore. 18:47:17 They just. Throws it in place. And a lot of the companies have done that. So after they go to the high density parts of New York City and Washington DC and Philadelphia and Chicago, they just stopped. 18:47:29 Well, people in suburbs don't like that and as the wealth hollowed out the cities as people moved into the suburbs. 18:47:38 Then the people in the suburbs didn't have high speed but the people in this in the cities did. 18:47:43 And the infrastructure bill, among other things, is setting standards that you must be doing this sort of work in order to qualify for these funds. 18:47:53 And so you're gonna see a lot of effort on the parts of Verizon and Comcast and ATT and everybody else to show that they really deserve. 18:48:04 To get some of this infrastructure funds it's sort of like when the high bill white bill comes out Does the state of Washington get the highway money? 18:48:11 No, does who gets the highway money? The people who actually have the bulldozers and and cement trucks and so on. 18:48:21 Of course they get the money. And the people in order to qualify for this infrastructure money are gonna have to show that they're actually building out. 18:48:28 Broadband areas that were not previously served. So if they've been sitting on their butts for 10 years, they have to get up and actually do something. 18:48:40 I suspect there's gonna be quite a bit of churn over there. Next few years because, You know, they want profits, but they also want somebody else to pay as much of the cost as possible. 18:48:56 Sure. 18:48:54 Can I ask a related question is the The, is it? 18:49:01 Typical on the peninsula for wave for example to have their main fiber pipe or cable underground. 18:49:11 That's a good question. The Answer is it depends upon where you were located. 18:49:17 Well, the reason I ask is that this is a We live in a relatively new development. And the When wave came out. 18:49:27 They pulled wire out of the ground. I mean it was in a the wire. The but the pipe from the house was already underground to a junction box. 18:49:41 So they just they had to pull the wire from the junction but but that box itself. Is connected to something underground. 18:49:49 Yes. It depends upon where you're located. Where we're located, all the utilities are underground. 18:49:57 So there's no There are no telephone polls or utility polls in our development. But in other places where there is, it's on the poll. 18:50:07 The good news, bad news about the polls. The polls are easier to put up and you can do it faster because you don't have to, you don't have to cut streets and so on and so forth. 18:50:16 But the bad news is they wear out and they get damaged and cars run into them. So long term, it's fast. 18:50:22 It's, more, it's, faster and easier long term to have it underground, but you see the quarterly profits don't take into account the fact that 10 years later your company is going to be making money. 18:50:37 So if at all possible, utility companies will run it above ground. But if it's already installed because the development was set up that way, they put it underground. 18:50:46 And when they pull that stuff from underground, if you've already got a cable, what they do is they just tie their new cable onto the old cable and they pull it. 18:50:54 They're using the old cable as a stringer. So it's it should be fairly easy. 18:50:59 They might have ripped it out, but really they were just taking advantage of what was already there to restring their new cable. 18:51:05 I'm a bit nervous because there within a half a mile of us. There are a number of projects and this apparently is all over the city. 18:51:17 Where they're digging up the street. And I don't know what they're doing. 18:51:22 I don't know if they're replacing. Water lines or storm sewers or whatever but I I'm nervous that while they're doing that they may inadvertently cut through one of these pipes. 18:51:32 I don't think that's happened. I mean, it sounds to us like what you just described with wave and daily interruptions for whatever reason that's That seems to be what we're experiencing, but. 18:51:45 All this construction makes me a bit nervous that there might be something worse. Down the 18:51:51 Well, Kathleen and I have commented that it seems that if you're going north on Fifth Avenue. 18:51:59 They finally get it paved and then the next. Week you come down there and they're digging new trenches. 18:52:08 And I'm picking on Fifth Avenue because we take it fairly often. I don't know what they're doing. 18:52:15 If If I wanted to, I could probably. Call up the city engineer or go into the column county website, but I don't know what they're doing. 18:52:21 Yes. Somebody just asked me how do you. 18:52:27 Sign up and the answer is I'm still putting together the. The the sign in sheet so I haven't got there. 18:52:40 Haven't got that far yet. I notice a number of people don't actually have their cameras turned off. 18:52:48 So we being We're being. Quiet today. 18:53:06 What did I call today? What's the name of it? 18:53:14 Doing your favorite app, okay. I'm trying to make the sign in form and I'm trying to remember what. 18:53:19 I called it. 18:53:25 Okay. Any other questions? Yes. Yes. 18:53:30 I have a question. Call here. Okay, when I plug in my iPhone to the computer. 18:53:39 The computer doesn't seem to recognize it doesn't show up on the screen. What's the problem there? 18:53:46 When you plug your iPhone in. 18:53:48 Yes. Shouldn't it show up on the screen as as a, device? 18:53:56 It can, but you have to do something in exactly what you do with it. 18:54:03 I don't remember. 18:54:04 To be able to ask you if you wanted to use it as a storage device and you would answer yes, but I don't know anymore. 18:54:11 I think you. I think your turn on screen mirroring. 18:54:18 I might want to do that tonight and I should have. Checked on that beforehand but there's if you go to the control panel One of the, one of the icons if you've added it is screen marrying you turn on screen Mary and then it'll show up on your desktop. 18:54:35 Screen marine looks like 2 rectangles right next to each other. It's about the middle of the screen there. 18:54:44 Looks like. 18:54:47 Oh, that's 18:54:47 You get that. Yeah, you get that by pulling down from the top up here. 18:54:52 Okay, right. 18:54:53 But if you haven't added it, I may not be there by default. So you might have to add it. 18:54:58 Oh, okay. Thank you. 18:55:05 Okay. 18:55:07 Sure. 18:55:11 Let's see. 18:55:17 Responses. 18:55:23 Alright. And. 18:55:29 Sign in sheet. 18:55:35 And yes, I was making a shine in sheet. While talking to people. And I of course, screwed that up. 18:55:45 So I have to. Go back here and get my link again. 18:56:05 Why does it have to be? Difficult. 18:56:12 No, it's because Google's not. Sharing the clipboard with my machine. So I'm going to mail this to myself. 18:56:30 I don't know. I think it just hates me. 18:56:35 You totally mean that. Okay. 18:56:45 Send. 18:56:53 Anyway, while I'm waiting for this to show up. I shall. 18:57:06 Well, that was not useful. 18:57:14 It sent me a letter but it didn't send things. Form. 18:57:26 Why won't it? 18:57:26 Wow. 18:57:37 Zoom hates me. 18:58:02 Paste. There it is. 18:58:10 And it's still not pasting. 18:58:19 That was too difficult. 18:58:24 Okay. So now there's a sign in form. 18:58:29 There it is. 18:58:34 Okay. 18:58:29 And it helps if I do this in advance. Anyway, any questions other than my relative competency? I'm not sure I understand. 18:58:42 If you 18:58:50 Indirectly. Any other questions? 18:58:56 Well, I have a question for you. Apple issued an emergency update. And how many of you installed it on your on your watch on your iPhone, your iPad. 18:59:08 Your Mac. 18:59:14 I did. 18:59:12 I did the iPhones and iPads, but I didn't do my watch and I didn't. 18:59:21 Can't do my Mac because it can't really get any more updates anymore because it's too old. 18:59:26 This latest update for some things went back to Monterey and Big Sir. So. Well. 18:59:36 Well, I think. 18:59:32 Yeah, mine is before that. Catalina. 18:59:34 Yeah. Meet me too. 18:59:43 Yes. 18:59:40 Are you talking about the rapid response update? Yeah, I installed it on everything. When it was the A version and then they pulled that and Set out the C version a day or 2 later. 18:59:54 Yeah. 18:59:54 But that was really quick. If you, if you installed the A, the C on the iPhone anyway was really quick. 19:00:01 Hey, yeah, that's because they change basically a hundred characters of the update. So it was really quick. 19:00:09 And. 19:00:09 And in fact, I didn't even notice that my watch was updated until my watch told me, Hey, I've been updated. 19:00:20 Any questions? 19:00:22 Just gonna say I have it on automatic so I assume it did it and I remember seeing something about it. 19:00:29 I'm not sure whether it's on my phone or on my computer. 19:00:35 Even though it's you can tell on your computer if you just go up to the about this Mac and it comes up with the version. 19:00:44 If it's got a if you're running Ventura it'll have a C. After it. 19:00:47 That means that it's got the security update and on the iPhone and iPad is a little bit harder to figure out what it is and on the watch it's really difficult. 19:00:55 But, I mentioned this simply because I normally just let the Mac update itself and I don't care but for security updates I update immediately. 19:01:08 And, for major operating system updates. I have a cycle like where there's gonna be a new version of the Mac operating system. 19:01:24 Ventura? No. 19:01:21 What's the name of it? Sonoma Sonoma Sonoma Yeah, so known as the ones coming out. 19:01:26 So normal. 19:01:30 I keep on forgetting because everyone says, oh, don't you like Sonoma? Well, I don't drink wine, so. 19:01:36 Yeah. 19:01:36 Okay. 19:01:35 Not really. The, for operating system updates, I always update them almost immediately because I want to know how it works so that people when they start asking me questions, I'll have an answer. 19:01:54 And we appreciate that. 19:01:51 So I'm usually. Quite quick on updates. How you had a question? 19:02:03 Yeah. 19:01:58 Question, yes. I did the update. But on my on my phone and it it only shows iOS 16.5 point 1, it doesn't have the C. 19:02:13 And I looked as soon as I updated and that's what it showed. And I thought, oh, well, maybe it isn't, isn't actually registering the C on the iPhone. 19:02:22 Let me see what it says here online. 19:02:26 Yeah, mine doesn't show. To see on my, but does on the iPhone, but not watch. 19:02:33 Mine doesn't show up on my iPhone. 19:02:33 On the watch, I don't remember what it does, but. And My internet is slow because I'm running to boot Zoom session. 19:02:50 Understand this. 19:02:44 So I'll just let this. Catering cogitate but yeah, this, see was because they had an A update and it caused 19:02:55 Unable to check. Okay. Be that way. Yeah, it does show the same. 19:02:57 It does show it does show the see if you On the, on the iPhone, if you go to general settings general. 19:03:07 Software update. It will show you, it will show you a good version. 19:03:16 See. 19:03:09 I don't know if you could see it, but it says. IOS 16.5 point 1 and then inside of parentheses Okay. 19:03:27 Oh, okay. 19:03:26 I should ask our president if there's in treasure if there are any things they would like to save. 19:03:31 Right now. 19:03:33 So sorry, I'm just doing the. The form. Let me close it. 19:03:42 Oh good. 19:03:41 Okay. I just did the sign in form. Welcome everybody. No, I have nothing to, to add and there's no, nothing new from Treasury in regards to, any numbers changing. 19:03:58 So it's all yours, Lawrence. 19:04:00 Okay. For this Today we were going to talk about someone suggested and I don't remember who suggested it that we talk about our favorite apps. 19:04:11 And I thought that was a splendid idea because that way I didn't have to prepare anything, but. 19:04:17 Yeah. 19:04:18 It's also, it's also interesting just to find out what other people. Are doing with their machines. 19:04:25 I, was talking to this guy and Maryland, couple of days ago. 19:04:34 More than a couple of days ago was last week. In his favorite Mac application is a, is a tool for making maps. 19:04:45 Now he's a geographer, so that's not too surprising, but he Works at my former. 19:04:52 I, my former place of work. He works at Noah and National Ocean Service makes all the nautical charts for the United States. 19:04:58 And he's been working for several years to come up with a a workflow that can be certified as as a workflow for for Noah Maps. 19:05:09 It's really, really complicated process. And the, a standard nautical try it's got like, 30 to 40 layers of information that you can press down onto this map. 19:05:20 And, it's complicated and expensive. And so he's really proud of himself and he was telling me about this and about 5 min into his explanation my I started glazing over because while it was fascinating I am not a GIS expert and I had no idea what he was talking about half the time. 19:05:40 But, so it's, but it's just interesting to see what people do with their machines. 19:05:45 So. Does anyone have anything they'd like to talk about first? 19:05:50 Well, I'm the one that made the suggestion last week, so I made sure and did my homework. 19:05:55 I have a bunch so I wouldn't wanna hog the thing and do all of them but I'll do a couple to start with if, if that would be reasonable. 19:06:04 Do you want to show your screen? I can set it up so you can. 19:06:07 Well, probably. No, it's on my phone and I'm logged in on my computer. 19:06:18 Okay. 19:06:14 So, but I can talk about it and tell you what it does, give you the name and if I know if there's a a subscription like that kind of thing. 19:06:22 So. Okay, so the first ones I got are have to do with nature. So I have a man a folder on my phone called nature. 19:06:33 I've imagined that. Anyway, I have a Merlin bird ID. MERL IN and it identifies birds and it does that by sound so it'll use your speaker and it'll listen and hear the bird and it'll make a darn good guess about what it is. 19:06:52 It also, you know, you can put in the size that has several listed there like hummingbird size, pigeon size and, eagle size or something like that, you know, and you pick one which ones you want there and then it asks you what color or colors it is and you put that in and 19:07:10 then what action is it flying? Is it on a tree? Is it on the ground? What's it doing? 19:07:13 Tree. 19:07:24 Okay. 19:07:15 And you tell it that and it will, give you a good guess based on your location. And then the third way that it, decides, helps you determine what the bird is. 19:07:28 Is it, let you either take or choose a photo so you could take a photo and it'll try to analyze that or it'll, offer to show you a bunch and you can tell us if any of those match. 19:07:43 So, and it does a good job. Especially on the sounds and it has a bunch of there calls and things that you can. 19:07:54 That you can, play back and if it annoys them greatly you'll know that you got the right bird. 19:08:02 Yeah. Evening. 19:08:01 Yeah. So it can base the identification on a photo you take of it. Or on the sound. Huh. 19:08:10 Yes. I do the sound because usually I can't get a good photo of it before it's already gone or whatever. 19:08:20 But and I haven't tried the photo or and I just saw that you could do that and it'll either let you take one or choose one from it's from its database. 19:08:29 Again, it's based on your location. It'll use your GPS to see where you are. 19:08:40 On the east coast, yeah. 19:08:33 So that way it won't include. Like, Australian birds for instance. Yeah, well some of these have databases for you choose whether you want to include. 19:08:48 West Coast versus East Coast versus all of it and that sort of thing. So that's, you know, that's a choice that you make and I can't remember about Merlin. 19:08:58 Merlin has, no subscription. And I can't remember, you know, once you, once you get an app, you can no longer tell the price. 19:09:08 If it's free or whatever because that's hidden from you when you try to go back and look at it again. 19:09:14 So, so I don't remember if it cost anything but I don't think it did and if it was it was cheap. 19:09:22 Oh, was it? Okay, cool. Yeah. 19:09:19 No. Yeah, it was it was free. Yeah, and I use it too. II could comment on that on the on the the microphone It's really sensitive. 19:09:42 Yep. 19:09:33 I'll hear a bird. And I'll hold it up and it'll it'll give me it might give me 3 or 4 birds 2 or 3 that I don't even hear you know and So, but when the bird sings, it lights up the, the hitting. 19:09:52 So it's really a useful app. That'd be one of my favorite ones too. Yeah. 19:09:54 Yeah, I when I, tried to get one the other day, I got the bird that it was, I can't remember what it was now, but it also, I think it was. 19:10:03 Yeah. 19:10:05 Anyway, it also got a hummingbird that I didn't even know was there at the same time. 19:10:09 Yeah, yeah. 19:10:19 Yeah. 19:10:11 So that's, my first one and another one along the same vein is picture this but picture this as a as a $30 a year. 19:10:26 Subscription fee And I don't like that. So I stopped using picture this and now I have another one called Sikh instead. 19:10:35 It's just SEK. It identifies birds, plants, and animals and there's no subscription fee. 19:10:44 So I like that better than the $30 a year that for picture this. Picture this is good for plants and it's quite good at it. 19:10:56 And it also will diagnose problems with, for instance, your house plans. It also will help you identify insects. 19:11:05 Trees and of course birds. Seek, I think it will help you try to identify just about anything. 19:11:16 Verge plants, animals. Probably not buildings. I think it does like bugs and things as well. 19:11:23 So. Good. So that's my 3 to start with. They're all easy to use, especially Merlin. 19:11:33 Picture this it has a bunch of different screens that you have to go through to to, have it work well for you. 19:11:43 And I have more, but I will give somebody else an opportunity to enlighten us with their choices now. 19:11:49 I'm pretty sure Kathleen was going to download Merlin because we were We were stopped at, we stopped at downtown, there was a bird that we could hear was in a tree up. 19:12:06 Yeah. 19:12:02 On Washington. We had no idea what it was, but it sounded really pretty. And so we speculated and she started hitting me because I have strange speculations but. 19:12:13 Knowing what it was would be a nice thing. 19:12:15 Yeah. 19:12:20 Anyone else? 19:12:25 Okay. 19:12:26 Okay. 19:12:25 Hi, I would like to ask. Since we're doing this And, you know, we're, there are useful apps and so forth. 19:12:36 And you might, for example, Tell us more about the Maps app. I wondered if we would consider having special interest groups. 19:12:43 Gracious one. 19:12:44 That would focus, you know, we're. Those of us who are particularly interested in One app might get together outside of our. 19:12:52 Regularly scheduled meetings. I, for example, the app I like best is I movie. Which I, but it's not the one I use the most. 19:13:03 It's just the one that I find. And I get the most pleasure out of using, but I decidedly an amateur. 19:13:10 And in terms of knowing. What it can do. And what the best ways might be. To do the things that I sort of know how to do. 19:13:21 Like for example, use the green screen. 19:13:24 Anyway, everybody knows about I movie so I'll mention one app that I've used which is you can have a subscription to it but it's one of those deals where you have to either pay by the year by the month. 19:13:38 And I don't use it enough. To make that worth. Subscribing to that's called Footpath F. 19:13:49 And it's like Gaia, I think is the name of Another fancy competitor. You know, you can download maps. 19:13:59 Topographical maps and all that sort of thing. But mostly it will show. For example, like it shows all the Olympic discovery trail stuff. 19:14:08 It shows most of the most of the, hiking trails. Yeah, in the Olympic National Park. 19:14:15 So. And it will tell you the distance and the elevation and all that sort of thing. I walk around town, you know, just because my doctor says I have to exercise my back. 19:14:27 So I walk around town and I can you can save up to 5 in the free version. You can save up to 5. 19:14:33 Routes and then you know you can change that. Change the 5 but it's handy because it shows you the street layouts and you know it'll tell you what the distance is you just trace along it And it and includes almost all the streets. 19:14:49 I mean, I haven't found any street that it doesn't include yet. And it has most of the trails around here and, you know, you can trace along those and I'll tell you. 19:14:58 Altitude and distance and so forth and if you If you have location. Turned on then it'll show you you know the GPS thing will show you where you are on the trail. 19:15:12 Which can be handy. For example, we got we got lost one time. Before I understood how to use it. 19:15:21 And after we had. Clambered through the woods and Fortunately intersected the trail. 19:15:30 Yeah. 19:15:27 We ran into a fellow who had gone along the same route that we did. Where we got lost he didn't because he was using the GPS which showed where the trail should be. 19:15:39 It was in the middle of a bramble patch and it is all overgrown. We couldn't see it and he couldn't see it, but he could see where he was and where the trails, should go. 19:15:49 So he just followed that on his phone. And got through it without having to scramble through the woods. 19:15:54 So, you know, I felt kind of foolish. For not understanding how to do that. But at least now I do. 19:16:05 What was the name of that app again? 19:16:01 And anyway, it's a very nice app. That's in the app store. Footpath F 00 TPAT H. 19:16:09 Footpath. 19:16:12 That's in the App Store. 19:16:13 Thank you. 19:16:14 Yeah, my 2 cents. 19:16:18 Since we're on that topic, I'll get to you in a second, Paul. Since we're on that general topic, I use, Strava. 19:16:24 Strava has a paid version. As well as a free version. I just use the free version. 19:16:31 And when I ride my bike or I go for a walk. I just leave my phone in my pocket. 19:16:37 I don't bother to. Look at it because if I can see where I'm going, I don't care. 19:16:45 But among other things, it has a complication that I can put on my phone because if I can see where I'm going, I don't care. 19:16:55 Yeah. 19:16:55 But among other things, it has a complication that I can from my wristwatch and it maps out my path so that if I'm riding my bike it'll tell me how far I went and give me a map of where I went, tell me the relative elevation and the distance and the speed and while I'm using it I 19:17:11 don't pay any attention to it, but it gives me a record of my walk or my bike ride and Strava has 2 versions and they constantly ping you to upgrade it to the professional version, but. 19:17:24 The free version is fine with me. And the nice thing about the mass is I can I can email them to Kathleen or she can email me. 19:17:32 Her map so that she can show that she went half a mile farther than I did her. Was 2 min faster or whatever she wants to, but, It's a different purpose than what then. 19:17:47 Footpath because it doesn't guide me. If I'm going down the street, I don't really I don't need the guide, but I would like to have a record of how far it was and the distance and elevation and the time. 19:18:02 So that's handy for me. Paul, you had something to say? 19:18:07 Yeah, well, I use Gaia and, That's a good one. It does show some of the. 19:18:15 Some of the trails and And things we use it when we're mountain biking. 19:18:22 I use it when I'm mountain biking and like you say it gives you where you you know, it gives you a track. 19:18:27 Now I had a question about footpaths. Does that track where you've been? The footpath. 19:18:34 Well, no, it's just not the free version just shows. Just shows the route you choose. 19:18:42 I mean, for example, it's got it shows all the trails in the area and then you'd Use your finger and, or I guess you could use a pencil on an iPad. 19:18:53 Oh, okay. 19:18:52 You drag along where you wanna go and it'll tell you, it'll tell you, you know, mile by mile. 19:18:58 It does it by miles. I don't know if you can you can do it in kilometers, but I don't think it'll do. 19:19:03 Finer gradations than a mile. So for example, if it's a 7 mile. Trail. 19:19:10 It'll tell you the entire. Link like 7.2 5. And it will put a mile marker at each mile from whichever end you start. 19:19:19 Right. I found it. My wife. Wristwatch or the the Apple watch. 19:19:27 Compared to her iPhone will give me almost all of the information that Lawrence was just saying he gets from. 19:19:37 He is a, yeah. 19:19:35 Gaia. I mean, there's a map. There it shows the elevation. 19:19:40 You know, it shows all that stuff. 19:19:45 Well, I would definitely check it out. 19:19:46 So. Gota is a subscription, isn't it? 19:19:53 It's both. 19:19:55 Okay, so you either pick the pro version or the Free version. Oh, okay. 19:20:05 How do you spell Gaia? 19:20:09 She 19:20:09 . That's Greek. It means earth. It's a god of earth. 19:20:21 If you're great. 19:20:22 I was wondering what that meant. 19:20:25 Okay. 19:20:31 Anyone else? 19:20:36 Well, I've got more if, if people are. 19:20:40 Well, I may have one kind of. More of a scientific, or programming tool. 19:20:53 Hmm. 19:20:50 But I like a BB edit for for program, I program in Pearl and Unix. 19:20:57 And, it really shows you the syntax by color. Of all the commands and if you spill it wrong, it you know it It catches it for you. 19:21:10 So, I like that and, One another one called Tech Shop. And so I tutor algebra and and have equation. 19:21:21 It's I like to write a equations in PowerPoint, but PowerPoint is Not good at typesetting, you know, the radical sign and the, integral sign and the differentials. 19:21:34 And things of that nature, but tech shop does it perfectly and then you can copy and paste the answer into PowerPoint. 19:21:44 So it's, a real handy tool. 19:21:46 There's a copied in. Does it copy and is edible or is it is it an image? 19:21:53 No, let's see, is it an image? It's PDF and then it makes a PDF out of the out of the clipboard. 19:22:04 And you paste the PDF. Image into your into, so it's not really text. 19:22:13 You can't really edit it except in tech shop. 19:22:17 Okay. 19:22:18 And but once you get the final looking equation, it looks gorgeous. Absolutely the fonts and size ratios are just perfect for like it was a professionally typeset page. 19:22:33 So it really is a handy tool. And it's free. It's in it's in the Apple store. 19:22:41 As well as BB edit, both of them are in the Apple store. 19:22:44 The guy who invented. Pdf i can't remember his name right now he's one of the founders of Adobe. 19:22:53 He founded Adobe in order to develop type setting languages for mathematics. So Adobe now is known for art but He was a mathematician and he wanted to typeset mathematics. 19:23:07 And Nicholas, who does all the programming books. He invented the, a language specifically. 19:23:18 For typesetting to type set his books. 19:23:19 Oh, yeah, another thing, I noticed about, tech shop allows you to type set a movie, an MP 4 file into the page. 19:23:32 But if it becomes so PDF Apple's preview will not. Not show the movie, it just shows a blank spot, but Adobe's reader will play the movie perfectly. 19:23:47 On a slide show. It's a really, has a bitter, more advanced feature than preview in that respect. 19:23:58 Is it available for, iPad as well as Mac or just Mac? 19:24:03 No, it's, both Mac and iPad. 19:24:09 But it's, but I, it would be better with a keyboard in the iPad rather than trying to do it on the keyboard in the iPad rather than trying to do it on the screen with your finger. 19:24:18 Yeah, yeah. 19:24:19 Yeah. 19:24:22 Yeah, I use it on my laptop. I don't use it on my iPad. 19:24:28 Anyway, that's my 2. Go ahead. If you've got a couple more run. 19:24:34 Huh. Cool. 19:24:32 Yeah. I have a couple or I have one anyway. A, from the library. 19:24:36 Oh, there you go. Yeah, go for it. 19:24:42 You can download books either, audio or, written. Just depends on what you want and they don't have everything, but they have a lot. 19:25:03 It's L. 19:24:56 And I listen to books all the time. So that is one of my favorite apps. And it's LIDB Y. 19:25:07 And just, you know, go to the, to the local library, North Olympic Library system and you can download it. 19:25:14 And then you're good to go. 19:25:17 Question, would the apples book app? Read it or no? 19:25:24 No, Libby is it's own self-contained thing. The reason why, libraries endorse it is that, it allows them to deal with copyright because you don't actually keep the book unlike Apple's books. You don't actually keep the book unlike Apple's books. You actually own the book with Libby. 19:25:43 You basically check it out. 19:25:44 Right, and you have a time limit to read it. And you could get on a list. 19:25:50 You can, you know, sign up for books and, it will tell you when they're available and then you can download it if you want or you can. 19:25:58 Tell them to hold it for another week or whatever. I'm on a long list of different books and they come and, you generally have 2 weeks to read them. 19:26:10 So, you know. There you go. 19:26:13 So, and if you don't get it read in that length of time, then do you have to wait your turn again? 19:26:21 I assume before you can get it again and read the rest. 19:26:21 You know, I, it depends on the book. I've had some that, came close to the due date and they were automatically renewed. 19:26:30 Oh. 19:26:30 And, and yeah, so I don't know. I just I have not run into that problem. 19:26:39 Yeah, Olympic is. It's a very kind and warm and fuzzy library system. 19:26:46 I had one. Book checked out that, My mother got ill and I was busy for a couple of weeks. 19:26:55 And I was gonna go to the library to renew it and I looked at my email and the library system renewed it automatically. 19:27:04 Wow. 19:27:04 So. It doesn't work. It doesn't work that way all the time, but, They're definitely a warm and fuzzy library system. 19:27:15 I probably so. Yeah, probably. 19:27:17 Sir, and you can return them early, if you finish it. I mean, there's a button for that and it will show you how many people are waiting for the book. 19:27:12 Maybe it depends on if there's somebody else waiting for it or something or pretty good. 19:27:33 Have you found that the selection is extensive? 19:27:39 Yeah, for the most part, and, you know popular books tend to get there and You can always also do kind of like a wish list. 19:27:55 So II mean, there are some books that I would, that, I would like to read that they don't have. 19:28:03 But, you know. So it goes. 19:28:09 Libby. 19:28:11 Yeah. 19:28:11 I'm putting, I'm putting the link. To the library system for this. Into the chat right now. 19:28:19 Okay. 19:28:22 Oh, somebody asked me for the sign in for the meeting. So let's see if I can put that. 19:28:28 Getting good. 19:28:28 It's up there. 19:28:30 It's up there. Yeah. 19:28:32 If they came in late, they might not see it. 19:28:39 So I shall. See if I can copy it. Put it back in again. 19:28:52 And I'm having trouble with copying. 19:29:04 It doesn't like me today. How are you? 19:29:09 Lauren, I just put it. I just put it in. 19:29:13 Oh, okay. Good. Thank you. 19:29:16 Right after Libby. The Forums. That's the 19:29:24 Yeah, my copy pay skills seem to be defective today. I was I was using my I have a wireless keyboard for my computer. 19:29:34 And it's charged via a lightning cable. And I forget that and yesterday I was typing away and in mid paragraph it stopped working and I couldn't figure out why and I thought there was something wrong with the computer. 19:29:50 And then I thought, you know, it's probably been a while since I charged it. 19:29:53 Sometimes those little advantages. Of electronics fail you because usually your fault, but Anyone else? 19:30:06 Kathleen wants to talk about timer. 19:30:10 Kathleen. 19:30:15 So, oh my. Watch. I have something called timer and I use that all the time. 19:30:24 It's useful for like if I'm doing laundry and I'll. Set it so it'll remind me when things are done or I'll use it to set a time to leave if I'm have to and I'm in the middle of doing something will do that. 19:30:39 But I, you can both put in a custom time or you can select from existing. Times 19:30:57 Okay. 19:30:52 They're pre-selected. Just like. I need to put it on the opposite side of my wrist. 19:31:01 There are. Pre-selected times that you can pick. Right. 19:31:06 And I realize they're probably upside down, but all you have to do is just tap it. 19:31:10 And then it'll set one of those times or if you. When it for 45 min and you can type in 45 min the other thing, a related thing is, the reminders. 19:31:26 Reminders, the reminders is to remind to go get gasoline to go do this, that the other thing, but you can set up a reminder to not only tell you what time to go do this, like do this on Tuesday. 19:31:41 You can also set it with GPS coordinates. So if you go into reminders, doesn't work so well on your Mac if you're if you have a desktop machine. 19:31:48 But if you have a I found you can go into reminders and you can tell it a place. So it'll remind you when you get to Costco to buy cat food. 19:31:56 In our case that wouldn't do us much good because we don't have a cat but but it'll when you get to that location it reminds you that you're supposed to do that so go to Walgreens and pick up your prescription go to QFC and remember to get milk. 19:32:11 And as you approach that and it'll it'll buzz your wrist on your on your. 19:32:17 Watch or your phone about I'd say half a block to a block away it'll buzz it to remind you to that there's something there that you want to do. 19:32:28 So between reminders and the timer. And then just alarms that, you know, have an alarm to do something. 19:32:37 Those are probably some of the most commonly used. Tools that we use on our iPhones and Apple watches 19:32:46 Dimers also has a favorites. You can set favorites and it'll have another little separate list for them too. 19:32:52 Yeah, and Kathleen just reminded me. When I said that the buzz is the phone, it'll rattle of phone back and forth. 19:33:00 But if you're watching your risk will vibrate. When you're when you're using apple maps to go someplace and you're supposed to turn left Do your watch can't tell you that it's going that you need to turn left, but it'll vibrate tell you that you're supposed to 19:33:16 turn. And I recently found out that it'll that it has a signal for left and right. So it's like if it's going one direction that's one vibrate if you're going the other directions too. 19:33:29 I don't happen to remember what those are because as Kathleen will tell you I never bother to follow directions anyway. 19:33:35 Oh. 19:33:35 Bye. 19:33:35 It. 19:33:38 I don't know how do you tell, when you're looking at an app. And the Apple app. 19:33:44 Store whether it costs money or not. 19:33:48 If it's in the app store, it should list the price next to it. If it cost money. 19:33:53 Well, if you already own it, but. Yeah, but it varies if you're trying to get something. 19:33:59 Yeah. 19:34:01 What? 19:33:59 Yeah, if you already own it, it just says it changes to open. But if you don't own it, then it'll show you either a get or it'll tell you the price. 19:34:11 Okay. 19:34:13 And also you can read down it if you're afraid that there might be a subscription involved, which I don't like subscriptions. 19:34:20 I have a bunch, but I don't like them. But if you read down through the description of the thing. 19:34:26 It'll have a section on if it's compatible with your device and all that sort of thing. 19:34:31 In there it says, price or cost or something like that and it'll say yes or no. 19:34:39 And then or maybe it says paid but anyway if you click on that it'll tell you you know like 4 99 a month or $60 a year or, you know, that sort of thing. 19:34:50 So. 19:34:48 Yeah, this is. This is an app on the app store for your phone called Chart Maker and right under the button that says get. 19:34:59 It says in tiny, tiny little print in app purchases, which means that you can you can download it for free. 19:35:07 And sometimes the only thing you can do free is to download it, but in others you can at least get to play with it and decide whether or not it's something you want to spend money on. 19:35:20 It's kind of the difference between acrobat reader and acrobat. You can download acrobat Reader from Adobe for free, but you can't use it to create new PDFs, acrobat at the full version of acrobat you can. 19:35:34 You can create PDFs, you can edit PDFs, you can do all kinds of things with PDFs with acrobat reader you can just read it and some of the free versions that's basically what you can do. 19:35:44 You can look at. Something else that was done with that application, but you can't create something new or they add extra feed it choose like with with Strava I was mentioning that it'll allow me to go out and bike around the neighborhood and draw me a map and tell me the change in elevation my speed and all kinds of 19:36:04 things. But if I sign up for the pro version, it does more. Now, I personally can't think of what else that I want to do. 19:36:16 Yeah. 19:36:14 So I don't know what I'm missing, but. You. 19:36:23 Yeah 19:36:18 Sometimes the pro version of those things How are you to compete against other people? You know, so you can see all their times and your times and in real time. 19:36:28 You might have noticed from the hair on my head what little I have. Competition biking is not really in my. 19:36:37 Yeah. 19:36:39 List of ambitions. So. The free version is fine for me. 19:36:45 Sure. 19:36:40 Okay. I have another set of them I can share. We have Tide Pro, which, if you're wondering, oh, the tides. 19:36:53 I wonder if it's coming in or going out and you can pull it up on your phone and it'll tell you. 19:36:58 What time the highs and lows are and how far it's gonna be and all that sort of thing. 19:37:05 What was his name? 19:37:08 Right, pro. 19:37:06 I'd pro. And I believe it was free, but I'm not certain it might have been 99 cents or something like that, but there's no subscription. 19:37:16 Okay, and then next one is, relative for us. It's watch duty. 19:37:24 And that one is a wildfire maps and alerts app. 19:37:29 Hmm. Yeah. 19:37:30 That might be a good one to have around. Since we live so close to the to the National Forest. 19:37:38 That was watch duty and it was free as well. Then there's another one called the ferry friend. 19:37:46 Probably a lot of this if you use it very, very much. Just goes the watchdog. 19:37:52 The site and get your information there, but fairy friend has a really easy interface to let you see the cameras and, over the lines, you know, in Georgia. 19:38:03 What's going on? Of course, what times they are, how far they're behind if there's any alerts that you need to be aware of. 19:38:10 And it's really nice user interface. 19:38:15 Speaking of things, for tides, I use something called, What does it call? 19:38:23 It's called. Ocean watch and ocean watch. Gives you tides and such And the reason why I use that is that, it allows me to put a complication. 19:38:39 A complication is an extra feature. On my Apple watch so that I can just glance on my watch and it tells me that the tide right now is 8.1 feet above. 19:38:48 Slack tied and it's going down. And why do I have this on my watch? Because I'm a photographer and the kinds of photographs that you can take at low tide are very different than the kinds that you can take at high tide. 19:39:02 So if I want to go take pictures of birds, low tides great. If I want to go take pictures of waves, high tides, is much more interesting to me. 19:39:10 It just it's on my watch so I can look at it and say, oh, I should head to the beach. 19:39:15 Let's go. 19:39:15 So do you use photo pills by any chance? 19:39:19 Pardon me? 19:39:23 No. 19:39:20 Photo pills PILL S. That has to do with Pardon me. Oh, sorry. 19:39:30 Well, the one I have is called, Ocean Watch. 19:39:25 What was in? What was the name of the tide? You motion watch okay thanks 19:39:36 Yeah, photo pills helps you set up all for it used to be just for, eclipses and times of the moon and where to be and what you could expect to see from that position and so on. 19:39:52 Exponentially is wonderful. It's I believe it's free but if it isn't there is no. 19:40:01 Okay. 19:40:00 No subscription but it just gives you all kinds of information about pre-setting up locations and you know if you wanted to get that mountain peak, so that the moon is coming up right behind it. 19:40:15 For instance, you know, it helps you plan all that stuff. And what time to be there and the exact coordinates and all that sort of stuff. 19:40:22 It's wonderful. It has a lot of. Teaching type stuff in it to a lot of extra videos they just really go the extra mile for everything it does and that wasn't even on my list to share. 19:40:33 Well, it's definitely on my list now. 19:40:36 Oh yeah, yeah, you'll like it. 19:40:36 What was the name of it? What's the name? 19:40:40 A photo pills. 2 separate words. 19:40:42 Hills. 19:40:51 Okay, so let's see. There's one called Altimeter. Yeah, works just like an altimeter on an airplane. 19:41:00 Are you on a small airplane? You know, looks like that has that dial and it shows you what your altitude is. 19:41:05 It's, It's a really handy one as well. Another one that I really, really like is called peak finder. 19:41:16 Okay. 19:41:15 PEAK is in mountains and finder. And it allows you to hold your phone or your iPad up against or towards in the direction of the hills and it will make an outline along those hills and show you the name each one of those hills no matter 3 layers if it's hidden from you it won't 19:41:33 Oh. 19:41:36 show you like for instance it just shows the mountains that are if you look out there and if you can see a mountain that will be listed, but if it's hidden by another something, then it won't show you. 19:41:49 It still hasn't in its database, but it won't show you. It'll tell you the names and I believe the altitudes and this works. 19:41:56 As far as I can tell, anywhere in the world because I was in Australia and it certainly worked there. 19:42:02 Austria doesn't have any mountains, so you know. 19:42:06 Yeah. 19:42:04 Yeah, they have hills. Oh, they have glass mountains. That's mountains they have there. They're not mountains like we're used to, but. 19:42:14 Yeah. 19:42:24 Yeah. 19:42:15 So, KAY, another one along with Peak Finder is. Ship Finder and that one allows you to look out in the bay and you see a ship out there that you're interested in or wondering about. 19:42:32 You can point your phone towards it and it will do a good job of identifying it where it's from, where it's going to, how much it weighs, what speed it's doing. 19:42:43 It's, all kinds of information and marine traffic is another similar one to that. And marine traffic is another similar one to that. Only it gives you even more information about them. 19:42:55 Only it gives you an head down or a airplane view of what you're seeing rather than looking straight out at at it. 19:43:02 Okay. 19:43:03 And, oh the Let's see. So there's another one like, finder that I like even better, but I don't trust there's 2 things about it. 19:43:16 It's called the 3D map and peak ID. He could buy a peak visor. Now this is 3 49 a month or $30 a year, but it's It's country of origin. 19:43:32 I believe it was China. I'm not sure now maybe. Maybe Korea or South Korea or something. 19:43:39 I can't remember now, but anyway, it gave me pause before I wanted to continue using it once I found that out because I don't trust you know, some of those companies that are associated with web type things. 19:43:54 Yeah. 19:43:55 Okay, so somebody else wanted to take a turn. I got more if you want. 19:44:02 Yes, Paul. 19:44:02 Hi, just along the lines of, reminders when you were talking about those. I find that one of the calendar is Apple's calendar app. 19:44:11 One of the best features of it. Is to set alerts which are reminders. Which you can have pop up. 19:44:20 It'll pop up on the lock screen. I tell you, you know, I usually set it for a day in advance and an hour in advance. 19:44:28 Default 19:44:28 They'll pop up on the lock screen and remind you, you know, tell you what the appointment is and where and whatever information you put in there about it. 19:44:36 I find that very helpful. 19:44:39 The same thing. 19:44:38 You can also set traffic up for it if you have a location, put in for your appointment is. 19:44:48 It'll tell you what time you have to leave based on what the traffic is. I find it helpful. 19:44:52 Okay. 19:44:53 It also lets you set up family accounts. So when I put something on the calendar, the default for me is for my family. 19:45:05 So therefore it automatically goes to my wife's inbox for her calendar and then it puts it on her calendar too but she can you know verify that she got it by checking it off and that sort of thing but But then we know when one of us already has something planned for the day or the week or the month or whatever. 19:45:20 Yeah. 19:45:21 That also works with carplay. Have I got an appointment with the address in the appointment on the calendar? 19:45:29 Get in your car. Whatever time it is be it tells you the travel time that it's gonna take to get there and if you get in your car within that travel time it'll actually automatically put up the directions and says you've got and you don't even have to type it into the into the carplay. 19:45:49 It just comes up and you just say go and it just starts the directions from the calendar on your iPhone. 19:45:57 So that is an amazing. Thing and it also, like you said, Everybody in your family uses the one calendar and so it goes on my wife's iPhone automatically and my laptop automatically and the iPad automatically. 19:46:13 That's great, great application. 19:46:13 Yep. Yeah, yeah, they did good. 19:46:18 Yeah. 19:46:24 No, go ahead. 19:46:25 No. 19:46:19 I have a question. It's actually, Am I interrupting somebody? I was curious from everybody who's here tonight and online. 19:46:31 A lot of people, well I know Lawrence is a big one that refers a lot to his Apple watch and all the things he uses. 19:46:41 I was just curious from everybody that's on here now. That has an Apple Watch, what was your biggest reason for getting it and was it worth it? 19:46:51 Do you feel like Was it fall detection? Was it that you can answer your phone from it? What made you like it or was it worth it to you? 19:47:03 I got it on the basis of what Kathleen had told us a couple of different times. And, 19:47:11 Like, is that a lot of it the medical alert kind of things? At the 19:47:15 Well, I've been I've been I've been considering. Getting an alert device in case I fell in the shower or between the kitchen and the living room. 19:47:31 And I could never make up my mind. So I thought if this does it. I'm in. 19:47:38 So. When I had to upgrade my phone before a Verizon turned my old flip phone into a brick. 19:47:45 I was already a deal on the SE second generation, which is what I got. So it the, second generation. 19:47:56 Does not do all the things that Kathleen had. Told us about. Because it's well, I get it's not an ultra. 19:48:07 I wasn't gonna spring for an old trip and I wanted to test the waters. But something I now do every day. 19:48:14 Is second or third thing in the morning. Certainly when I started my first cup of coffee. I check. 19:48:23 To see how I slipped. How many steps I took yesterday? If my heart rate went below a certain number of beats per minute, which I have preset. 19:48:40 And then there's something else that I always look at. But I can't remember. 19:48:47 It will tell me. If I've been exposed to sound levels over a hundred decibels. 19:48:54 So when the Noisy pickup at the end of the truck goes by and I happen to be sitting on the front porch. 19:49:01 It will record that I had a high high high rate of it high level of exposure. So, I, it's doing more things now. 19:49:13 The watches then. 2 months ago even. I think because of updates to the iPhone operating system. 19:49:24 I still haven't figured out when I'm paying Verizon for exactly. For the IWAT connection. 19:49:33 So It's half a mystery to me, but I do like the feedback. For the heartbeat rate. 19:49:42 Overnight. And number of steps. Records that but that's from the iPhone so if I get up in the middle of the night I have to be carrying the iPhone. 19:49:55 In order for it to record and transmit to the watch later. That's all. 19:50:01 And the part of what you're paying for it. Like on mine II don't have it so that I can use it as a phone. 19:50:10 I know. 19:50:10 It either has to be connected via Bluetooth or on my wife I hear at home because I didn't want another. 19:50:18 Yeah. 19:50:16 As Ron was talking about subscription. Something, I mean, between Netflix and the magazine subscriptions and apps. 19:50:25 I mean, it's just endless and you can end up with hundreds of dollars just on subscriptions and you don't end up using them all and I just find a pointless. 19:50:34 So 19:50:33 Yeah, I think I need to talk to Verizon about. Taking something off my charge because I'm not using the I haven't got it connected to function as a phone. 19:50:46 To watch. 19:50:46 Actually, you do and that's what you're paying for. You might not use it that way, but it's all set up to use. 19:50:55 Yeah, yeah. I don't either. Yeah. 19:50:53 If you're paying for it. I don't pay for mine. It's Yeah, I just have it so that if my phone is within proximity to my watch, which typically they are or if I'm at home and it's on Wi-Fi, well then it just picks it up throughout the 19:51:12 house. 19:51:14 So then. 19:51:12 Yeah, same with mine. No. And then sometimes I answer on it. It's not great, but it does okay, you know, as far as answering with it. 19:51:22 Right, and if it's somebody that you really need to talk to, it's enough for them to know that you'll call them right back or yeah. 19:51:29 Yeah. 19:51:30 Anybody else have one that can? Enlighten. 19:51:35 Kathleen got her watch first because when she saw the keynote on it. She had me order one immediately. 19:51:45 And, when my mother's my mother started living with us, we bought one for her because one reason why she was living with us is she had fallen at her apartment in Bremerton and broken her leg. 19:52:02 So we talked her into, yeah, to having the watches for fall detection, but she also on her own. 19:52:11 She figured out that she could check her blood oxygen level and she didn't have to stick the little thing on her fingers. 19:52:18 She could just do it from the watch. And she could check her heart rate and EKG and all the rest of this, from the phone and She found that fascinating. 19:52:28 And, recently they updated the, Apple health app. Which is on the phone. So that you can put your entire medication schedule into Apple health. 19:52:40 And if you do that, then the watch will prompt you when you need to take pills. And she thought that was kind of cute. 19:52:48 I didn't know to do that. My mother told me about that. So. The integration between the phone and the watch is really quite high when it comes to health apps And this fall. 19:53:00 The next version of the iPad, operating system will have the health app on it. Right now it's limited to just the phone and the watch, but this fall they're bringing it to the iPad as well which for me is useful because I have a keyboard for the iPad and I'd much 19:53:18 rather type a lot of that stuff into my iPad than sit there and poke at it one thing with my with my finger on this stupid little keyboard So, the integration is really quite high. 19:53:30 Having said that Kathleen. Told me to buy this phone for the health benefits. What I use it for mostly, I use it for voice memos. 19:53:40 I use it for weather. I use it for the tides. I use it for the activity. I use it for Strava for mapping things out. 19:53:50 Those are the thing I also use it. I have a complication here. Tell me the time in London. 19:53:57 My daughter lives in England and if I want to color up on Facetime. Right now it's. 19:54:02 3 34 in the morning. So probably not a good. 3 54 in the morning. 19:54:07 Not a good time to color. So the what I use the watch for is mostly everything except for the health stuff because the health stuff it just keeps track of that and then occasionally bugs me about it if I'm not doing something. 19:54:20 But like the, for example, the with the, noise level. It never really occurred to me to worry about noise because I'm not. 19:54:29 Wild about loud noises anyway. But, coming down Fifth Avenue, as I mentioned earlier, they're doing construction on Fifth Avenue and my watch buzz to tell me, hey, it's too loud. 19:54:41 Go someplace else. 19:54:43 Yeah. 19:54:47 Yeah. 19:54:48 Yeah. 19:54:52 Yes. 19:54:50 I have a question. When, as an example that, A peak finder, I went. 19:54:58 And took a look at that and it wants your Apple ID. 2. Download that. 19:55:07 Is that normal? 19:55:08 Yes, it is because what you're doing, think about it from a security standpoint. You are taking something from the Apple Store and you're putting it onto your device. 19:55:18 And so Apple wants to know, are you really the person that it should be sending it to? And you want to know that it's trusted. 19:55:29 So you were telling Apple to trust your device and you're telling your device to trust Apple to transfer it onto your phone. 19:55:34 That the onto your phone or onto your Mac or whatever. So it's always gonna ask you for your Apple ID. 19:55:40 And your Apple ID is something that. It's something that you should definitely note should know what that is. 19:55:47 But this, I thought for the password. 19:55:53 Yes. 19:55:51 Yeah, that's that too. Let me know. Ask you for your idea and your password. 19:55:58 But once you get that locked into your device, then you don't have to put it in every time. 19:56:01 I understand but is I guess I'm leery about putting out my Apple ID and password on to, you know, into an app that I know nothing about who created that or anything. 19:56:14 Right. 19:56:14 Well, yes, but you're not sending it. You're not sending it to Apple ID and password to the developer. 19:56:21 You're sending your Apple ID and password to Apple. And that's perfectly logical because they run the Apple ID service. 19:56:29 So. They should know what you who you are and you should know who they are. 19:56:32 Sure, as long as it's coming from Apple. Yeah. 19:56:37 And all of your apps that you get at least currently, all your apps that you get for your phone and your iPad and your and your watch will all be coming from Apple. 19:56:49 The Apple store. Sounds like in the future maybe federal laws or at least, European. 19:56:57 Maybe the campaigns. 19:56:58 Yeah, they're, changing there so that might make it happen here too. I hope not because that's one of the big things about Apple is their their security is so good because they control everything and they weed out the bad stuff. 19:57:14 Thanks. 19:57:28 Dictated it, man. 19:57:12 Yeah. This, fall for example. The new I'm guessing but I'm guessing that the new Apple phones when they come out this fall are gonna have a USBC connector because the European Union said that Yeah, they dictated it and since it's gonna be cheaper for Apple to make one version of the 19:57:36 phone. I'm guessing we're gonna get USBC connectors on. Iphones as well. 19:57:41 They should have done that with 14 already because when my I got my iPad. Pro, I don't know, a couple of years ago it already had the C. 19:57:52 So I was already I don't know. It's just stupid to have 2 cables like what I can't use the same cable for my iPad as I can from my phone. 19:58:00 I am aware of that problem because I experienced that as well. 19:58:05 Probably daily. 19:58:08 The other nice advantage, this is completely off the topic of apps, but the 19:58:13 The USB C connectors. Assuming that you have the right kind of charger will be able to charge your devices faster because it supports more current than the lightning cable. 19:58:26 The lightning cable, it looks like it's just a wire, but it's actually got electronics inside of it. 19:58:31 That among other things keep your device from getting over charged and USBC has that as well, but it's for a different. 19:58:39 Different standard and so you can It'll charge things faster. We found that out. When we have a Apple Watch charger. 19:58:48 For the original Apple Watch and I and I got a. Whatever my watch is. 8 or something. I don't remember what my watch was and it came with a USBC charger and it charges in about half the time is the old one. 19:59:03 The old ones based upon a different version of the USB standard and The new one, it just charges it faster, which is which is cool. 19:59:12 Anyone want to talk about apps? 19:59:15 I just wanted to ask Steve what he was. When you mentioned getting together outside of smug in regards to maybe specific apps or Could you elaborate more on what you meant? 19:59:29 Well, some users groups have. What they call special interest groups within the user group. Which are people who for example, might wanna learn more about the watch. 19:59:41 Or in my case more about I movie. And those groups could elect to meet. Outside of the regular meeting time. 19:59:53 And on different days or you know, different places, that sort of thing. But they'd be focused on. 19:59:59 Whatever that special interest is whether it's the watch or the calendar maps you know, photography. That's sort of thing. 20:00:07 Hmm. 20:00:08 I was just thinking that you know, we're about to the point where we could have in person meetings. 20:00:13 So. I mean, I'm fine doing the Zoom Meetings for our regular meetings. But if anybody was in for me interested in meeting outside of our regular meeting time to focus specifically on a movie, I'd be all for it. 20:00:31 Because I wanna learn more about it. 20:00:31 Yeah, one of the first, smug meetings that I came to. Whereas a gentleman, I don't remember his name. 20:00:39 Who came and talked about I movie. I was a little bit disappointed because he limited his talk to I movie on the iPad, which is 20:00:48 Kind of a subset of a subset and so it wasn't as useful as II would have thought if he demonstrated it on the on the Mac but I'm all for I'm all in favor of that sort of thing if we come up with some topics we can either just announce it to everyone and we on a different day 20:01:10 or we can make that the meeting topic. And I also like the idea of having more in-person ones. 20:01:16 The in person meeting we had at this started June, there weren't that many people there, but they weren't the same people who came to smug meeting. 20:01:28 So I got a different audience and that's that's useful. A lot of people are very uncomfortable. 20:01:35 With virtual meetings. A lot of people have been in government. Associate virtual meetings with committee meetings. 20:01:44 And those who weren't in government associate virtual meetings with being kind of a poor TV they they'd rather talk to people in person. 20:01:55 Also the kinds of questions that I get. Here in in a Zoom Meeting you ask a question everybody hears it But in in person meetings, people come up afterwards and they say, I did something stupid on my computer. 20:02:10 Can you help? And they'll say that to me privately, but they don't want to say that to everybody. 20:02:17 So it's a different type of. It's a different type of atmosphere for an in person meeting. 20:02:25 So I have a question for you, Lawrence. Since I'm gonna be the one that has this. 20:02:32 Stupid problem. Something happened. Make a long story short. I had an old Mac Mini. 20:02:40 We're going back. My daughter's 18, so maybe 15 years. 16 years and 20:02:49 The somebody. And will not mention names. Took the hard drive out and then put the newer a bigger hard drive in it. 20:02:59 And then that hard drive got taken out. And now It looks like World War III. So I have our I have hard internal hard drives. 20:03:10 That aren't in the Mac mini anymore. And I probably have. Not so I have external ones and ones that were actually in the Mac mini that Don't have a case so I can't just like plug them in with the USB into a computer to see what's on it. 20:03:30 Yes. 20:03:28 Does that make sense what I'm trying to say? Like II need it, a shell to put it in. 20:03:35 They're pretty common. 20:03:34 No. You need that. 20:03:36 I'm sorry? What was that, Ron? 20:03:38 They're very common. You can you can find them and they're easy to use. Depending on the interface that your hard drive has, it will have a. 20:03:48 25 pins back there or it will have some other interface on the on the back of the drive and it. 20:03:55 Plugs into that and then on the other side as a USB. So it's really easy to use. 20:04:00 Some of them either even have multiple. Different interfaces that you can plug it into either that 25 PIN or 12 PIN you know depending on what it is but they're made for plugging in a a loose hard drive so that you can get the data off. 20:04:17 Or you can use them that way if you want to. 20:04:17 Yeah, they. I have, I call it a, a disc toaster and I can't. 20:04:25 Oh. 20:04:24 Show it to you right now because it's plugged into a different computer, but it looks like a small toaster and you take a bare hard drive and you just plug it in. 20:04:32 And, it makes a connection. The, thing is a little on the expensive side like 60 70 bucks, but I use it all the time so I don't care. 20:04:44 You can also go out and get inexpensive cases that are like 50 bucks and you put it into the into the case. 20:04:50 And you're basically building your own external drive that way. A good place to look for things like this is other world computing. 20:05:02 Bye. 20:04:59 Type it in as 3 different words and look for drive cases and drive docs and it'll give you a variety of those to play with. 20:05:10 But. 20:05:10 So my question though is So I understand what you're telling me, but I am so novice to it because I am really not a desktop user at all. 20:05:23 I'm a mobile user and I don't even have. a desktop computer. 20:05:36 Thank you. 20:05:29 So what I was wondering, is there anybody, Lawrence that could help me or Ron? Or Steve, I don't know. 20:05:41 That would be willing to help me take all my external hard drives that some were in computers that some were in computers that do not have a case. 20:05:52 I don't know to help me take all my external hard drives that some were in computers that do not have a case. 20:05:55 I don't know how to order a case. I don't know what I'm looking for. You're talking pins. 20:05:56 I kind of know what pins mean So I have like a bag full of these external hard drives terabytes and terabytes and they've been copied and copied and put on here and somebody says, oh, all your pictures are all on here. 20:06:10 But then something happens and they're not all on there. I just literally want all these 10 items put on one. 20:06:18 Hard drive that I can say it's all here and I don't have to worry if I lose any of these externals that I have one. 20:06:31 Okay. 20:06:29 One external hard drive that I can plug into a computer and then I can try to figure out how I'm gonna sort my pictures. 20:06:38 But I'm totally lost. 20:06:38 Okay, nice and interesting. Is that if you were to pick one of the drives. So that I can, well, pick 2 if they're different sizes, but, physically size, like you might have, 5, 3 and a half and a, and a 2 and a half drive. 20:06:58 Pick up. 20:06:57 Wouldn't they have to be the same size if they were from the same Mac Mini? Internally. 20:07:04 Okay. 20:07:02 Yes. Well, yes, but you see the original Mac mini had a had a 3 and a half inch drive and then later on they had smaller ones because they were more. 20:07:11 Oh, it's a real old one. I mean, we're going back like when the Mac Mini first came out. 20:07:17 Okay, you need to you need 2 things one you need to provide the drive for me to play with and see if I could do it. 20:07:26 Ucsb, you need to get a USB flash drive stick and this is Where's my camera? 20:07:33 I see. 20:07:33 Yeah. 20:07:32 There's my camera. This one has a USB end on it and the reason why a USBC end on it you can go into Amazon and order them. 20:07:41 But get one big enough to hold what you think. That needs to be rescued out of the drive. 20:07:47 And if I can get the drive to boot and if it's that old, it's kind of F if I can get the drive. 20:07:53 To boot, I can copy the contents onto USB drive. I can then give you the USB drive and you can plug it into your iPad. 20:08:02 Yeah, I have a drive like that that's at least 2 TB if not 4. 20:08:07 Might be 4 and it's tiny little thing and it just plugged into USBC on one end and then the US. 20:08:18 USBA. 20:08:14 USB something else on the other end and I have to look into my yeah and I have that plugged into the back of my Mac. 20:08:24 But if you give me a, a flash drive, it's got a USbc and make a guess as to how big you need like if 256, gigs, 500 gigs, you can get them on Amazon. 20:08:37 And then give me the flash drive, give me the drive and I'll see if I can get stuff off of it. 20:08:42 But that way you don't have, I can give you back the drive, but I can also give you the flash drive, which you can plug into your mother's computer or into your iPad and do with it whatever you wish. 20:08:56 Okay. 20:08:56 And that way you don't have to worry about what's on the drive anymore. And by the way, if you ever take the drive out of an old machine, which I highly recommend that you do. 20:09:06 And if you're not gonna use it anymore. Go into your garage, take out a hammer and just beat it to death. 20:09:11 Okay, see it wasn't that it wasn't good anymore. It was that they were so tiny at the time. 20:09:18 That we bought or my it was actually my mom's old Mac mini that then it has 20:09:26 What did they have then maybe 60 GB was like in you were like wow that's a lot of memory. 20:09:32 Yeah. 20:09:32 I guess, 18 years ago or whenever that first Mac Mini came out and so there was never really anything wrong. 20:09:39 It's not that the computer didn't work anymore. You let, I mean as you can probably imagine, you let, I mean, as you can probably imagine, there's no more updating it. 20:09:47 I mean, as you can probably imagine, there's no more updating it. I mean, I don't know if snow leopard or something. 20:09:49 No, no. 20:09:50 No, I think Lion might have been the last thing that ran on it. 20:09:57 But we were still in the cats. 20:09:53 No, it, the, no, it probably not. Before we go. Before we go, 2 things I want you to think about what we do next month and I would like to show you a. 20:10:06 Some, strange apps. Because I am the strange type. So I'm going to share my screen while all of you think about what it is you'd like to do. 20:10:19 And. We're talking about BB edit. This is BB edit. 20:10:25 And I'm gonna drag something into BP edit and this is a bookmark let. And a bookmark that is just a text file that, you get. 20:10:37 When you you bring up a, you bring up a web browser. And the web browser goes someplace. 20:10:48 Such as this is. 20:10:53 And it doesn't like this because because I'm streaming at the same time. Anyway, this is this is website. 20:11:02 This is my website. I can come up here to the address bar and drag. The address of that website to your desktop. 20:11:11 Which you think, well, that's kind of silly. Why would you do that? Well, if I double click on it, I can launch that site again or if I drag it into BB edit. 20:11:19 It'll actually take the text. Out of that book market and show it on the screen in BB at it, but you can use it for programming a lot of other things. I use BB at it, but you can use it for programming a lot of other things. 20:11:32 I use BB at it often for stripping complicated formatting from word when I want to stick it up on a website because where it does weird things And so that's what BB at it looks like and it does a lot of useful things but I'm not going to show you that because it would be complicated. 20:11:48 I could spend a week talking about BB at it. Here, this is a finder window. And if you look at the dates, let's see if I can blow up the screen. 20:11:58 You look at the days, it says that these files are recorded December, 30 first, 2,047 at 108 in the morning. 20:12:08 Well, December, 30 first, 2,047 is a ways away. And I would like to get these to be a more current date. 20:12:16 Now these are from the. My, these are video for my church service on Sunday. 20:12:22 And I like to be able to find things by date and it's very difficult for me to know. 20:12:28 What date something is if the, if the USB drive says they all came from 2,047 however i can launch terminal which is a program that's running on your Mac all the time you don't know that it's there but just Just ask them and I'll show you the hard way. 20:12:47 If I come here and I say terminal and spotlight. At a launch terminal. And I can tell it to go to. 20:12:57 That folder And I'm gonna tell it to change directories to go to that folder by. 20:13:04 Cheating. 20:13:10 And now I'm in the folder. If I tell it to list the files and I'm doing this in Unix, so it looks strange, it says that this is December, the 30 first 2,047. 20:13:21 Not useful. I'm going to use a Unix command called Touch. 20:13:28 And I'm going to say touch and then an asterisk. And asterisk is a wild card, meaning. 20:13:34 No matter what you see, touch it. And what touch does is it changes the date. So instead of December 30 first 2,047 it says it's July eighteenth. 20:13:46 At 2011 8 11 And it did that because it knows what the time is when I said to touch it. 20:13:53 It just touches the files. So now when I come here it says that these were all created today, which is a lot. 20:14:02 Yeah. 20:13:59 It's decades closer than what it said before. Since I'm in terminal right now, I might as well. 20:14:07 Can I pull this up? Yes, I can. Term terminal is also useful for silly things such as I was born on Chinese Independence Day. 20:14:18 What day of the week was that? Well, there's a calendar built into the, computer. 20:14:24 So I just said, it gives me the current calendar July. If I say, Cal, 2023. 20:14:33 It'll give me the entire year at once 2023. Well. October tenth, 2,01911 was the Chinese Independence. 20:14:48 That's when China overthrew the Manchu dynasty and became a republic. So I can say. 20:14:54 1911. And it says that October tenth in 1911 was on a Tuesday. So if you want to know I was born on a Tuesday, assuming that I was born in 1911, I probably don't look quite that old, but You can also do it for strange things. 20:15:13 You can ask if you've never used calendar you can ask. Cal man and it gives you directions a man cow sorry and give you a manual for the calendar command And it's got things that you can do with the. 20:15:26 Calendar and there's a note here about September second, 1,752 and I'm not going to bother to. 20:15:33 Show you that I'm just going to Yeah. 1752. Because something interesting happens in 1752. 20:15:46 Look at September. 20:15:52 That is. 20:15:51 And then the week or something or. 2 weeks. 20:16:01 Yeah. 20:15:55 1, 2, 1415, 16. What happened in September of 1752. 20:16:07 Do they adopt the Gregorian calendar? 20:16:09 That's when they adopted the Gregorian calendar. And they did this because the, the Julian calendar was gaining increasingly out of date. 20:16:21 And, the, Pope Gregor adopted the Gregorian calendar for the Roman Catholic Church decades earlier, but because the Henry the eighth decided that the Church of England was going to be different. 20:16:37 The, UK was not. Actually the UK didn't exist at that time, but, England was not on the, Gregorian calendar was on the Julian calendar. 20:16:50 But in September of 1,752 they switched So you miss basically 2 weeks. 20:16:55 This caused huge amounts of problems because when did people die? But what happened to people who were born? Did people miss their birthdays? 20:17:06 If you were born on September third When was your birthday? People, this was cause all kinds of, of, hate and discontent and it took years for it to. 20:17:16 Change but it is an interesting you've got an infinite calendar you want to know what happens it said that that those files were from December, 2,047. 20:17:30 So let's type Cal. 2,047. And that's the calendar for the year 2,047. 20:17:38 You can even go get really fancy. 3,000 that's the calendar for the year 3,000 but that's built into your Mac. 20:17:49 All you have to do is learn how to use terminal. If you ever want to have a meeting where we talk about terminal. 20:17:55 I'm more than willing to. Get into that. But there are a couple other things that I thought. 20:18:02 Might be of interest. Let's go to. There is a. 20:18:09 A program that I use fairly often because I have a lot of files that I want to rename. 20:18:15 Like, this, this says record, 1080 p, 1 21 blah blah. That doesn't tell me what it is. 20:18:21 And I found a application called a Better Finder rename that allows me to rename all kinds of things, all kinds of files all at once. 20:18:32 So I come up here and I say, text and I tell it what to look for. And so I'm going to grab part of this. 20:18:40 File name. 20:18:45 Just part. Copy and I say action. 20:18:54 Replace text. I'm gonna tell it to look for. Record 1080 p. And say. 20:19:07 Trinity worship. 20:19:11 And I say. Apply that to all of these files and drag these files over here so it knows what I'm talking about. 20:19:22 And for whatever reason, it decides it's gonna take a while. And it gives me a preview. 20:19:28 It's going to used to say record 1080 p and now it's gonna say Trinity Worship, 12121, 22, not the best name in the world, but that's what I want to do. 20:19:38 I say perform rename. It says, do you really want me to do that rename all? 20:19:41 And it changes all 4. Now I don't do this when I'm only looking at 4 files. 20:19:47 But, when I go out. For example, I went out and took 253 photos of the port towns and arrow museum which is in Port Townsend. 20:20:02 I did that on Saturday. And so I have a whole bunch of images that just say it's image. 20:20:07 1,956, 1,957, 1958. 20:20:12 Doesn't tell me anything about it. With a better finder rename, I go through and I just batch load all of those and I say that's the, port towns and error museum. 20:20:22 1,953, 1,954 in 1,955. 20:20:25 So it tells me where I took the photographs. If you're a photographer it's much much much less trouble than trying to do all of that. 20:20:36 At once. At one at a time. So. Those are a couple of things that I use fairly often is the text of the terminal for doing strange things. 20:20:49 And better findery name for renaming huge numbers of things at once. The most that I ever did is I renamed 10,700 photos at once. 20:20:59 Even with this bash file or it took a while. But I didn't care because I was having lunch. 20:21:08 Okay, those are my contributions. Any questions? 20:21:15 Yes. 20:21:21 Yes! 20:21:16 I just had one more app that people might be interested in. It's called Sky View. And, Ron's probably heard of it. 20:21:26 Basically you're out there and you're looking at all these stars and you With the app on you point your Your phone at it and it will tell you the stars, the planets. 20:21:37 In the constellation so it's it's a it's a good fun one So in a street. 20:21:41 Yeah, a couple. A month ago, was you could see Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn at the same time. 20:21:53 But if you were wondering which of those 3 spots were which, you take Sky View and it say, this one down here is this, this one up there is that. 20:22:02 It's really useful. Application. 20:22:07 Yeah, Star Walk, 2 and solar. Walk to both. Do astronomy and astronomical things like that too where you hold up your screen and then It'll identify things for you. 20:22:23 There's also a satellite finder. 20:22:28 Yeah, I have almost 600. Have a on my phone. So that's why I had lots to share. 20:22:36 Oh, I wanted to mention one thing that's on your Mac that you probably don't even know that you have. 20:22:45 There used to be an app called Shazam. And it was useful when I was in the dentist office. 20:22:50 I was in the end of Dennis offices. In this really interesting song came up and I thought, what is that? 20:22:54 And I asked the people there and they said, I don't know. Well, which Shazam, you fire up Shazam and it listens for a few seconds and it'll tell you what the song is. 20:23:04 Oh. 20:23:05 Well, Shazam is now built into the iPhone. It's iPhone is. 20:23:09 Right down there, but you don't normally see it. You have to go into your iPhone and go to. 20:23:17 Control center and add it. And then you can add Shazam and it'll sit there and it'll just Listen to the music and tell you what it is that you're listening to. 20:23:38 No. 20:23:28 I use Shazam the app. Separately and it has a auto sham now. I don't know if that one you're talking about does but say for instance if you're gonna be I don't know, taking a shower and you might have time for 3 or 4 songs and, you wanna turn it on before 20:23:48 you get in there because you can't have it identified. You know, you can't hit the button to sham it. 20:23:52 Yeah. 20:23:52 If you hold down the button for an extra couple seconds, it'll turn on auto sham and then it will name all of the songs that it hears after that until you turn it off again. 20:24:04 Yeah. 20:24:07 So question, how did you how do you find that in? 20:24:16 Thatings, yeah. 20:24:12 You fire up, settings. And then you go to a control center and control center lists a whole bunch of things that you can do. 20:24:25 The, it's not called Shazam anymore. It's called sound recognition, but it, Yeah, we'll sit there and tell you what, song is it's playing. 20:24:39 Oh. 20:24:38 And the reason Apple did this is they But you can add things like, yeah, something to change text size, stop watches notes, low power home, catered access dark mode, announce notifications. 20:24:52 Don't ever do that. Alarms, accessibility shortcuts hearing, quick note, sound recognition, music recognition. 20:25:01 There we go. 20:24:59 Oh, it's music recognition. It's Shazan. And wallet voice memos all kinds of things you can add to your phone and you get to them just by pulling down from the top. 20:25:16 Yeah. 20:25:10 Right corner and they pop up and you pick what you want the one I probably use the most is the magnifying glass where somebody gives you a prescription and it's got all this fine print on it and you're trying to find out and then you and you read the fine print it says must not be used if you are suffering 20:25:30 rabies. Oh, okay. Nice to know. You know, if you like reading fine print. 20:25:36 Is that is Shazam, or sound recognition on the laptop as well? 20:25:41 I know it's on the phone. I don't think it's on the laptop. 20:25:45 No. No, I. They don't normally put things in Mac OS that requires that you move. 20:25:59 Right, right. 20:25:55 Because you know if you have a desktop machine it's kind of inconvenient. Oh, this one woman, she had a 27 inch imac and she had a problem at my user group. 20:26:06 In Washington state in Maryland. And I'm sitting in up on stage and there are 500 people there and this woman. 20:26:15 She was probably about the age that I am now. She came in struggling with this 27 inch imac and she did it because she wanted to show me what this 27 inch imac and she did it because she wanted to show me what happens when she started the machine. 20:26:27 So we should wait until after we did a presentation that went out and set it up in the lobby and all it was is that shoot you was getting this icon because the IMAX have a battery inside. 20:26:44 The battery was low. And so it thought that the time was sometime in 1993 or something and or I can't. 20:26:51 I don't remember what it was, but it was easy to diagnose it said, yeah, your battery is low and you did not need to. 20:26:57 The whole thing in here to show me that. So things that you things that are helpful when you move around are gonna be on the iPhone long before they're gonna be on the desktop. 20:27:11 Yes. 20:27:10 One, what was that? App called that you were talking about it's solar or something. 20:27:17 Solar Walk. 20:27:19 Walk. Okay. I have the sky view. But it'd be what like to try something new. 20:27:27 So solar walk. Okay. 20:27:28 Yeah, that's for things. And that one is more like your guy. You're sky one that you are. 20:27:40 And you. Yeah. 20:27:40 Nice. Yeah. 20:27:41 Sky view, yeah. A bunch of them and if you're really into astronomy there's called one called the red shift It's an awesome program, but it costs, it's probably 20 bucks or so. 20:27:57 I, if I remember, right? But, it's, it's really detailed. 20:28:01 Yeah, the rich. 20:28:02 Mine isn't so much that I want it detailed. My biggest problem is So I'm wherever I am pointing the camera at the sky. 20:28:10 Well, it sees all the constellations and it sees all the whatever. But I physically can't see it. 20:28:17 So I just wanna know if there's something that I can turn on or off. What my camera physically sees. 20:28:26 It actually will. Only show me that. Does that make sense? 20:28:29 Yeah. The speaking of which the skywalk and red shift you can also get it in a version that if you have a motorized telescope celestial telescope, you can hook the phone up to it, say, you know, show me. 20:28:49 Polaris or something and it'll It'll make the telescope. Whip the telescope around actually fairly slowly, but so it'll point at Polaris so that you don't have to. 20:29:04 I don't know if you've ever used a telescope where we have a there's a finder scope and you look in the finder scope forever and you think that's it and then you look at it with the big scope and nope that's not it and it drives you nuts. 20:29:13 With your phone using these programs. It'll actually control. The computers and motors on the telescope and point it in the right direction. 20:29:22 Hmm. 20:29:22 Really, cool stuff. I don't happen to have that kind of telescope, but 20:29:27 Yeah, I don't either, but I've always wanted one. 20:29:31 Yeah. 20:29:29 Yeah, but I'm in the same boat there. What are we doing next week? Next month. 20:29:36 Next week I have jury duty so I'm doing boring stuff. 20:29:45 You're gonna show us all the secrets about Apple's maps. 20:29:49 Yeah, you asked the question that I never really explored. He wanted to know if you can make custom maps in Apple Maps and. 20:29:57 I, it got me curious, cause you can do that in Google Maps, but I don't know. 20:30:01 I've been exploring that. I read some directions from people who said that they could do it, but then I actually went through the steps and what they were doing was. 20:30:11 Stupid and not terribly useful, but it's a worthwhile thing to have. When we were coming across country we made a custom Mac. 20:30:20 In Google Apps, I, Google Maps. So that. We want to stop in Vicksburg because I'm an historian and Vicksburg is where Grand essentially killed the Confederacy. 20:30:35 It even though it took the Confederacy a couple of years to realize that. And we stopped at Meteor Crater in, Arizona. 20:30:41 It's the largest intact meteor crater in on the planet and it smacked into Arizona and and left this really big golf divot. 20:30:52 So we just mapped out where we were going. And guessed on how long it was going to take and then we made reservations at motels. 20:31:01 Because it was the summer season. We didn't like being stranded. When we move to. 20:31:06 Maryland in, 1991. We did not make reservations and we spent one night in the parking lot of a Methodist church in Arizona. 20:31:32 Yeah. 20:31:20 Because all the hotels were full. And my daughter who was 5 at the time. Would bring that up for years afterwards about what a terrible experience that was and her parents really should have done a better job and you know so. 20:31:37 We had that same problem on the Oregon coast. We went down there and we, you know, just to spend the weekend spur of the moment type thing and we wound up having to drive all the way home. 20:31:51 We didn't live here. We lived over in. Okay. 20:31:54 Yep. Well, send me your ideas and what you'd like to do next month. And I'd like more than just the Apple Maps idea because I'm not sure I can. 20:32:07 Show you anything useful. But if I can, I will show you something with Apple Maps. Apple Maps is actually much much much better than it used to be but when it comes to making custom maps I don't know if it does that. 20:32:20 So. Send me your ideas on. What we can do in August. And if nobody has any ideas, we might just take August off and go chase. 20:32:35 Thank you. Good night. 20:32:40 Yes. 20:32:37 Hi. 20:32:40 Do they? 20:32:36 Good. Have a really long life. 20:32:48 Oh. Good night. 20:32:48 Okay. Okay. Yeah. 20:32:50 Thank you. Thank you, Lawrence. 20:32:53 Thank you, Lawrence. 20:32:52 Thank you. 20:32:54 Thank you